OT: Why do we think rebel pilots have 'ship specific' flight suits.

By Gadge, in X-Wing

yeah it looks cool but it makes not much sense.

Y wing and X wing pilots wear the orange rig, as do airspeeder pilots.

B wing pilots have the cherry red or grey suits and a different helmets

A wings wear green or black.

I guess its just for more visual impact but can anyone think why you'd need to do this in a 'real' sense.

I always got the impression that the cockpit is life supporting so you dont need a suit like that.

Conversely all imperial pilots look the same regardless of craft they fly (except shuttle pilots and capital ships which makes sense).

I think i'd get it more if rebel pilots wore race specifc suits or being a rag tag force whatever they liked best but it just seems odd thematically.

Really odd 'reasoning' but im bored and i was just thinking why you cant fly an A wing in an orange flight suit :)

Tycho says no to Rebel suits at all. :D He flies in his old TIE pilot suit. (minus the helmet I assume)

I hope he bins the armour too... its well uncomfortable. trust me!

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I always got the impression that the cockpit is life supporting so you dont need a suit like that.

Probably G-suits, plus if you want to eject you can hardly get dressed in a cockpit.

Personally it makes sense to me that the Rebels aren't uniform. Also, in RotJ the Y-wings have their own outfit too.

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Tycho says no to Rebel suits at all. :D He flies in his old TIE pilot suit. (minus the helmet I assume)

I don't mean to challenge you, 'cos you're very correct, he's widely known to fly in his old Imperial suit, but did you notice his upcoming alt art card has him wearing green?

Street clothes perhaps?

Strikes me as odd.

or just the old eu legend being disregarded

I'v recently bought cheap copies of the 'essential guides'

written before the prequels.

The back story of some of the characters from the novels via the guides is so toss in some cases that it really makes me think 'actually Lucas did a good job of fitting that bit together'

Like pre prequels Kenobi is Owen Lars brother and Lukes uncle.... thats rubbish compared to the way they link him to luke in the prequels...discovering a legendary force user by accident and protecting and championing is much better

It looks good in the films...

:lol:

I will wager a guess to this question:

the a-wing is a high speed, high G pulling fighter. it could be designed to allow the pilot to remain conscious with the higher G's.

the b-wing has the rotating cockpit, so I would assume it has something to do with the uniqueness such an environment produces.?.?(almost a question as an answer)

My totally made up reason is manufacturer compatibility. TIEs are all made by Seinar, and probably any ships that aren't are still required by Imperial bureaucracy to be compatible with the millions of TIE compatible flight suits the Empire has in its stores. Rebel ships, at least initially, seem to be made for the "export market", and each fighter has a suit developed for it. Some are compatible, some have a hex connector while others have a round connector, or something stupid like that. Maybe the A-wing suit can handle higher G-loads, but is more expensive, it it's only used on A-wings. There's all kinds of little procurement minutia that could cause different types of flight suits to be used.

:ph34r: gotcha on the G-factor there Biophysical. :P

Nah all of these ships have that pilot safety, g-force yaddah stuff factored in. Star Trek Tech Babble aside.

They just look cool in the films...

:D

Yeah i established they look cool in the OP

im looking for a narrative reason :)

I thought we agreed on a much earlier thread that high Gs dont apply in space? There is no gravity to be resisting against or whatever?

That's nonsense. G forces are called that as a short-hand for acceleration forces. A 3-G turn is a acceleration equal to three Earth gravities. If a ship turns, the pilot undergoes a G-force, even if it is so small as to be unnoticable.

Yeah i established they look cool in the OP

im looking for a narrative reason :)

I thought we agreed on a much earlier thread that high Gs dont apply in space? There is no gravity to be resisting against or whatever?

im sure someone maintained that using real world physics really sharp turns in space wouldn't pull you about like they do in air combat manouvres.

Well, vacuum makes sharp turns difficult compared to turns in air, but you can't turn without force applied. That's basic newtonian physics.

:o:huh::lol:

Aye... there was a discussion awhile ago about how the different ships actually maneuvered in space. I forget what the consensus was, but my point of view was the following:

Rebel ships all use propulsion type engines.

X wings have 4 engines, they can divert power L/R Top/Bottom to turn or pull up. I suppose repulsor lifts or something could be used to roll the craft.

Y wings have the disk vectrals at the back of the engines (the things that are way back and have the pylons supporting just them) that could redirect the force of the engine in direction. And if one goes up and the other goes down, you can roll as well.

B wings have the 4 engine argument.

A wings have the two giant engines that provide it's thrust. However, if you look closely, there are 4 smaller engines right behind the cockpit. It's my opinion those are used for maneuvers.

Z-95 (in the form we have it) has the 4 engines argument.

And the HWK and YTs have weird engine systems, that I'm assuming can be manipulated.

As for the TIEs, no one really knows how a ion engine works, perhaps they provide thrust in non straight back directions.

Edit:

Back to my original point, yes, there are G forces because F=ma where A = acceleration. If you're having a hard time conceptualizing it, think about when you're in a car and you make a hard turn. Your body goes sideways, even though there is no gravitational force in that direction. Or think about when you're on a (wooden) roller coaster and you approach the top of a hill. Your stomach feels all funny and your butt leaves the seat - this is because you're experiencing some degree of negative G forces.

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yeah it looks cool but it makes not much sense.

Y wing and X wing pilots wear the orange rig, as do airspeeder pilots.

B wing pilots have the cherry red or grey suits and a different helmets

A wings wear green or black.

I guess its just for more visual impact but can anyone think why you'd need to do this in a 'real' sense.

I always got the impression that the cockpit is life supporting so you dont need a suit like that.

Conversely all imperial pilots look the same regardless of craft they fly (except shuttle pilots and capital ships which makes sense).

I think i'd get it more if rebel pilots wore race specifc suits or being a rag tag force whatever they liked best but it just seems odd thematically.

Really odd 'reasoning' but im bored and i was just thinking why you cant fly an A wing in an orange flight suit :)

Believe it or not the gear used by speeder pilots are not the same as classic X-Y pilots. They got a something akin to bags.

The flight suit colos are more mixed than youd think. Bs also got white whiles Xs and maybe even BTL-A4s got green or blue and red in ROTJ.

Y-Wing pilots got what they got because chances of surviving being shot down or crashing because of critical failure are high.

A-B wing pilots got what they got, protection and CTPTC wise, because of low chance of survival and so the pilot was less restricted movement wise. There be lots more avionics in the A&B than X&Y. Thier helmets are not even used for protection, just to secure the rebreather hose and communication equipment.

Moral of the story. If your in A or B wing and your about to be splashed pull the loud handle.

Tycho says no to Rebel suits at all. :D He flies in his old TIE pilot suit. (minus the helmet I assume)

I don't mean to challenge you, 'cos you're very correct, he's widely known to fly in his old Imperial suit, but did you notice his upcoming alt art card has him wearing green?

Street clothes perhaps?

Strikes me as odd.

Wait they are releasing alt art cards for Tycho??!!! What do you need to do to get them??!!!

All TIEs, rather most REB era craft have thrust vectoring as well as strategically placed propulsion adjustment projectors.

Gs are usually not a issue because of g defusers while SFS flatout keeps there pilots in a anti grav field.

In real life having the driver submerged in water or a breathable fluid will fix any issues the drivers body would have with Gs. The craft on the other hand...

Edited by Black Knight Leader

I assume that each ship has its own manufacturer's recommended kit, which varies wildly among models due to the lack of uniformity among rebel ships.

Throw in performance specs for each ship and you wind up with different g-force requirements, different life support interfaces, etc.

Finally, the helmets would function very differently for the different ships. A-wings would need headgear capable of dealing with extreme g-forces, so probably boosted airflow if you put the rebreather on, as well as perhaps some sci-fi bloodflow boosters to keep the brain oxygenated. X- and basic Y-wings would generally not need anything special. B-wings and Y-wings with working turrets would both benefit from helmets with upgraded HUD and optical aiming systems due to their need to handle more numerous and more advanced weapon payloads.

Something I may have missed but... has anyone thought about...

Unit colors/flightsuits. Seems they all conform to certain unit colors and suits.. might simply be a way to recognize the unit you belong to. I'm gonna assume they all work similarly, so only reason to have different ones is to discern unit, or ship type flown.

The Empire all fly the same suit because... military uniformity.. and life support.. cant fly a ship with no air in it if you dont have your oxygen tank..

So can someone please enlighten me to these alt art Tycho cards??

Thread up today about the new tourney stuff.. also get a PtL alt card.. has a squint on it

to the quote on "no one knows how ion engines work."

we have developed ion engine technology, but it is super inefficient at our current tech level. the amount of energy required to produce the ion effect is enormous and would require its own power plant to produce.