George Lucas

By Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun, in X-Wing

I'm from Leeds!

You lie ... you're a Yank ... it's obvious from your use of Zeds.

If you were from leeds your name would be mass0.

But it's pronounced with a zed sound! Which is odd really, since it's derived from Sam said backwards. We don't necessarily go in for sense round here.

Zed's dead, baby.

Its easier when you're from around stoke way

people just put a Y or E sound on the end of your name (imaginative nicknames eh?) or if you already have one they remove it

So my dad was either Neily or Harv rather than Neil Harvey

While most of my mates know me as 'Gadge' when i first joined my regiment (that area recruiting ground) i was 'Harv' or 'H' for ages...

Im sure hobojebus will back me up on this.

oh and 'o' on the end of a name like 'john' so its 'johno'.

Like i say no one puts an amazing amount of thought into nicknames.

The most creative ones are calling like really big blokes 'tiny' etc

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But zed being pronounced 'zee' is probably the only bit of American English that i find *really* annoying.

Oh that and not being able to pronounce lieutenant properly (as it is in french where it comes from) or aluminum (a clue, it rhymes with millennium) :)

Every other difference you chaps made to English like dropping the superfluous 'u' in colour' and using ZED rather than ess in a lot of words makes perfect sense to me and i'd be happy to see Queens English take those changes on board.

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ok update.

finished epII tonight

it was actually better than i remember.

Anakin is annoying, childish and i feel no empathy towards him and dont care hes going to be vader

Jar jar is still stupid in every sense of the word

pinball yoda was worse than i remember but his force use *was* better and was actually how i thought it should be, control of objects.

clone troopers were cool as...

The techno alliance thing troops were silly steampunk

Annakins 'rage' was still like a petulant teenager trying to get his parents to let him stay out later

But, on the whole, a lot better watching it second time around, not feeling ripped off at the cinema (having got it on DVD for a pound), watching in the comfort of my own home.

If anything it was a bit long.... the whole love story angle coudl have been shaved in half and the arena fight was a bit naff.

Overrall

6 out of 10

i'd have given it 3 out of 10 a year ago based on 'cinema memory' and that three would have been grudging because 'its star wars'

And i KNOW its not going to happen but i'd quite like jedi starfighters for the game, if only to have jango fett fight obi wan in an asteroid field as a mini game

Lucas was guided by the Seven Samurai and Kurosawa when he made Star Wars. Solo was like a ronin, like Yojimbo. Had he stuck to it, it would've been cool. He completely lost sight of that Japanese influence when he made Ep 1-3.

Oh i agree with that quite a bit. He even admits that 'ANH' is 'Hidden Fortress'

Instead of the story being told from the POV of bumbling thieves in a war full of heroes, its told *largely* from the POV of droids that take their plot place.

Star Wars IV is blatantly hidden fortress, hence, like i always say it was written as a one off space fantasy using a tried and tested plot.

all this 'i always meant for their to be nine movies' came about later.... clearly never his intention if you see interviews at the time.

He's too cool isnt he ?

I mean making a metal concept album at 88!

He's also probably killed more guys for real than he has in films , im not saying thats a *good* thing... it must really suck for him and mentally hurt him a lot if hes anything like my mates but its worth thinking about.

Amazing man.

The thing that really kills episode two is the love story, he's so terrible and utterly lacking charm no way any woman would go for him, with a better actor you could of conveyed his inexperience and trepidation at breaking the Jedi code, then padame could of been won over by his naivete or some such.

Poor natalie portman has nothing to work with there's no chemistry between them as people let alone as characters, then you've got a script written in a way no normal person talks there was just no saving that role.

As for the temper tantrums he throws when his mother dies I've seen more passion from a two year old.

The thing that really kills episode two is the love story, he's so terrible and utterly lacking charm no way any woman would go for him, with a better actor you could of conveyed his inexperience and trepidation at breaking the Jedi code, then padame could of been won over by his naivete or some such.

Poor natalie portman has nothing to work with there's no chemistry between them as people let alone as characters, then you've got a script written in a way no normal person talks there was just no saving that role.

As for the temper tantrums he throws when his mother dies I've seen more passion from a two year old.

I think the actor that plays as Skywalker is better in ep 3. However I felt during parts were he was suffering loss that he did do a great job. If they replaced him with the actor from the show Ihe would be better except in parts where he is flipping out or sad.

The actor in the movie suffers from the same problems the actor from that 70s show suffers from. I wish he never played as VENOM...

I felt there was chemistry between Ani and Padme. I think it helps that the actors playing those two characters really liked eachother alot. I think they even dated.

You should be scared of Ewoks. If they ever stop fighting each other and advanced technologically they would probably rule the galaxy.

Who?

George Lucas:

....he deserves to be hounded and mocked by a massive internet circlejerk for the rest of his days.

Agreed.

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But zed being pronounced 'zee' is probably the only bit of American English that i find *really* annoying.

Oh that and not being able to pronounce lieutenant properly (as it is in french where it comes from) or aluminum (a clue, it rhymes with millennium) :)

Every other difference you chaps made to English like dropping the superfluous 'u' in colour' and using ZED rather than ess in a lot of words makes perfect sense to me and i'd be happy to see Queens English take those changes on board.

Isn't it more accurate to say that s and z were both used in Britain before America dumped us, but we later standardised around the French style, while they standardized around the zs? I'm no English teacher, that's just how I understood it. I prefer the Zs myself, so I often use them when the word can be spelt both ways. I'll also use an extra apostrophe in sha'n't COS IT MAKES NO SENSE NOT TO. F**king English.

I thought lieutenant got pronounced both ways in the British military, life with an f in the navy and without in the army or something like that?

The thing that really kills episode two is the love story, he's so terrible and utterly lacking charm no way any woman would go for him, with a better actor you could of conveyed his inexperience and trepidation at breaking the Jedi code, then padame could of been won over by his naivete or some such.

Poor natalie portman has nothing to work with there's no chemistry between them as people let alone as characters, then you've got a script written in a way no normal person talks there was just no saving that role.

As for the temper tantrums he throws when his mother dies I've seen more passion from a two year old.

In my experience, there's often no explanation clear to me why nice women go out with the men they do. In that regard it could eb totally realistic. Or, you know, Mind Trick.

Have.

EDIT: FFS, doesn't Firefox have a spellcheck built in on a standard installation!?

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its 'lef-tenant' in the British Army, im sure its from the French. I spent a lot of time training to be one so i'm sure of the way its pronounced in the army, the RAF say it the same way. Can't speak for the fishheads in the senior service :)

American English.. while 'making sense' was much more a politically motivated decision to distance the language of the colonies (former anyway) from that of the UK. To create a national idenitity

Noah Webster (i think it was he), spent a long time rewriting the whole dictionary trying to change as much as possible.

Definitely a social control exercise and *not* a natural evolution of the language.

Of course because you've got a diverse stock of invading westerners gradually replacing the hundreds of indigenous lnguages (and peoples) with a polyglot of English, French, Polish, German and Spanish (for the main thats the language base of most indentured servants and free colonists going over pre independence) its going to differ regionally when you have say an area of mainly formerly dutch colonists learning to speak English.

Firefox has a spellcheck. i'm too lazy to use it on a forum to talk about plastic toys :)

I'm the assistant editor on a magazine. I have to be hyper precise and exact with my diction, syntax and spelling for 'work' so i switch off when 'playing'.

You want to type good like what I do, innit.

George Lucas:Set up LucasFilm, Industrial Light and Magic (has made visual effects for over 300 films), Skywalker Sound (about 30 films a year, have won 18 Academy Awards) and Pixar, all of which have done massively more than just Star Wars, has made a huge number of films, has used his fortune (including a lot of the Disney sale) in a wide range of philanthropic endeavours. The Rebels series that gets talked about a lot on this forum and despite being a kids show is fairly popular? That's an evolution of Clone Wars which George Lucas was directly behind. Also behind LucasArts which, while it may have got to **** in its last few years due to severe mismanagement issues, produced a huge and wide ranging amount of material since it opened in 1982. Monkey Island springs to mind. Oh, and he's why credits are at the end of films. This is barely scratching the surface. But no, he made three films that weren't as critically acclaimed as three other films he made (they were still massive box office successes and the people who claim to loathe them "because it's cool" are not the majority), and thus he deserves to be hounded and mocked by a massive internet circlejerk for the rest of his days.

Actually, Episode 1 is the film with a below average rating (47% or 49%, one of those 2), with Episode 2 being somewhere in the 50s, and Episode 3 was actually relatively high.EDIT: Ok I was wrong, Episode 1 was 57%:Episode 1: 57%Episode 2: 67%Episode 3: 80%Episode 4: 93%Episode 5: 96%Episode 6: 78%RotS is rated higher than RotJ, that's kind of funny.

Other than that i do really ask myself what people actually want. I personally don't like JarJar slapstick either, and Skymidala looks very awkward too. Well at least the "i don't like sand" (too bad for you man, who was born on a desert world...) romance is critically necessary to explain why Luke and Lea were even born... Or should Lucas rather have Anakin/Vader take Padme with violence or what??

But, and i insist... I like I-III a lot and i think they are great movies. Just in the internet community they stood no chance ever, because everyone expected sonething else and when they didn't get exactly that they inmediately started ranting online. I feel that this is highly unfair, also against Lucas. In the 70/80s when the original triligy came out, this phenomenon thankfully didn't exist!

I feel that no matter how good 7-9 will be, the rant is preprogrammed! This time it will hit Disney instead of Lucas, but i assure you they will even care less than he did! Which is understandable!

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Well I just reinstalled Windows (well, got somebody else to do it as we're not allowed to set up our own computers even if we have Computer Science degrees), did a fresh installation of Firefox, and no spellcheck. Which is a problem for me, cos my spelling's atrotious.

Why couldn't Luke and Leia of been the result of violence? An obsessive anakin being spurned by his crush tips over the edge goes dark side and forces himself upon her, she flees into hiding and has the children in secrecy.

Unpleasant sure but you wouldn't find Vader to be such a pathetic and whiny cry baby, as portrayed in the PT you don't fear him he's just a petulant child.

Other than that i do really ask myself what people actually want. I personally don't like JarJar slapstick either, and Skymidala looks very awkward too. Well at least the "i don't like sand" (too bad for you man, who was born on a desert world...) romance is critically necessary to explain why Luke and Lea were even born... Or should Lucas rather have Anakin/Vader take Padme with violence or what??

Actually, yeah, that could have been good...

Why couldn't Luke and Leia of been the result of violence? An obsessive anakin being spurned by his crush tips over the edge goes dark side and forces himself upon her, she flees into hiding and has the children in secrecy.

Unpleasant sure but you wouldn't find Vader to be such a pathetic and whiny cry baby, as portrayed in the PT you don't fear him he's just a petulant child.

So you want Luke & Leia born because of ****?!?! That's super dark for ANY film, let alone star wars.

It was a question notice the ? there didn't have to be a love story, it really didn't have to be so awkward there were other ways to go i presented a theoretical and never said that's what i would of preferred.

Trying to make anakin likeable before the fall was fine, but they picked the wrong actor and instead or replacing him in the third film doubled down and left us with a wooden performance that would make keanu reaves proud.

Why couldn't Luke and Leia of been the result of violence? An obsessive anakin being spurned by his crush tips over the edge goes dark side and forces himself upon her, she flees into hiding and has the children in secrecy.

Unpleasant sure but you wouldn't find Vader to be such a pathetic and whiny cry baby, as portrayed in the PT you don't fear him he's just a petulant child.

So you want Luke & Leia born because of ****?!?! That's super dark for ANY film, let alone star wars.

its horrible yes but more of a story. It really would make the sweet little boy turn into a real monster.

be hard to work in the 'redemption' of ROTJ with that though.....

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