There was far too much lightsaber in the prequels, where in the OT the duel's were special and worked on multiple levels in the prequels they became common and boring taking away the magic and making them just another weapon.
George Lucas
That's what they are. Weapons.
You can't tell me that lightsabers are sacred objects, when Luke loses his fathers and farts out another one off camera with zero explanation whatsoever.
And lets not even talk about how wooden and God awful the first lightsaber fight is. Yes, I know that the fight was really about "ideals" but you can absolutely tell that Alex Guinness couldn't stand his job during that scene.
The way I look at it... without Lucas we don't have SW. I may not agree with a lot of what he deicded to do especially with the prequels, but its a fair trade off considering everything else thats come along because of it.
Edited by ZarynterkAnd lets not even talk about how wooden and God awful the first lightsaber fight is. Yes, I know that the fight was really about "ideals" but you can absolutely tell that Alex Guinness couldn't stand his job during that scene.
Maybe, and yet Alec Guinness phoning it in in his duel with Vader was STILL lightyears ahead of the elaborately choreographed yet hopelessly emotionless lightsaber duels in the prequels. In fact none of the lightsaber duels in the prequels carried anywhere near the weight of any of the duels in the Original Trilogy. They might as well have been glowstick dance numbers.
Edited by FTS GeckoI still have not recovered from yoda playing lightsabre pinball versus dooku.
that was just surreal.
it wasnt jedi it was 'angry birds' before its time.
I still have not recovered from yoda playing lightsabre pinball versus dooku.
that was just surreal.
it wasnt jedi it was 'angry birds' before its time.
You know, when the prequels came out I was actually looking forward to seeing Yoda fight. Then it happened. Now I wish I could purge the memory forever.
You see i thought Yodas 'strength' would be from blocking with force power, moving the ground beneath his enemies..
really akaido type 'redirection' of negative energy.
Like i say, what we saw was cringeworthy
6. Sith... only having two is a really daft idea. they are not *that* powerful. But you can only have two but there are like 300 jedi. If the sith had decent recruitment programme they wouldnt need to do so much mucking about.
To be fair, do they ever actually say there can be ONLY two, or is it just that if there's one, there has to be a second?
It's been a while, but as I recall the Sith haven't been seen for centuries (right?) and now one shows up. Yoda and Windu have their thing at the end, "Always two there are..." And Windu ponders which one was just cut down.
That doesn't seem to explicitly rule out other mated pairs being out in the wild (which would parallel the Jedi Master and Apprentice relationship nicely, really) they are simply reacting to the evidence they have at hand, knowing that this is the first they've seen of the Sith.
That being said, it's entirely possible that I'm forgetting something...
Im pretty sure they only ever have two at a time as they are so untrustrworthy you need to keep an eye on your apprentice all the time.
I dont think it means that they always go around in bromance couples.
i mean its not exactly like you need a lot of training to be a sith lord...
1. be force sensistive... check
2. do bad stuff and get angry ..check
3. use the force to make 2 more effective check
4. (optional) have silly make up and a dark cloak or asthma
Its not like you need guidance... 'hang on their young darth.. you're not going mental enough!'
Has anyone at all
And lets not even talk about how wooden and God awful the first lightsaber fight is. Yes, I know that the fight was really about "ideals" but you can absolutely tell that Alex Guinness couldn't stand his job during that scene.
Maybe, and yet Alec Guinness phoning it in in his duel with Vader was STILL lightyears ahead of the elaborately choreographed yet hopelessly emotionless lightsaber duels in the prequels. In fact none of the lightsaber duels in the prequels carried anywhere near the weight of any of the duels in the Original Trilogy. They might as well have been glowstick dance numbers.
Do you know anything about fighting? It IS essentially dance.
And I can't believe how hard you just whiffed on Jedi lore. The whole idea is to be emotionless. Letting your emotions control you is the dark side.
Why does NO ONE get that? That's exactly how it's supposed to be!
Has anyone at all
And lets not even talk about how wooden and God awful the first lightsaber fight is. Yes, I know that the fight was really about "ideals" but you can absolutely tell that Alex Guinness couldn't stand his job during that scene.
Maybe, and yet Alec Guinness phoning it in in his duel with Vader was STILL lightyears ahead of the elaborately choreographed yet hopelessly emotionless lightsaber duels in the prequels. In fact none of the lightsaber duels in the prequels carried anywhere near the weight of any of the duels in the Original Trilogy. They might as well have been glowstick dance numbers.
Do you know anything about fighting? It IS essentially dance.
You've clearly never been near a pub in stoke on trent near chucking out time when port vale have just beat stoke.
*some* fighting maybe akin to dance but there is very little breaking a chair over someones head in swan lake.
To be fair thats a bad analogy. They usually board up all the pubs in the week prior to the match and you have to get tickets in advance.
25 arrests in the crowd pre kick off one night... you know you're in for some 'dancing' in town later when that happens.
Do you know anything about fighting? It IS essentially dance.
If you think fighting is essentially dance, then I clearly know more about it than you do.
And by emotionless I meant uninspiring and uninvesting for the viewer; although going by your own definition only one half of the combatants (or two thirds in Episode I) should have been emotionless, which shows there's a metric crapton wrong with the fight scenes when you look at them from that particular perspective as well.
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Has anyone at all
And lets not even talk about how wooden and God awful the first lightsaber fight is. Yes, I know that the fight was really about "ideals" but you can absolutely tell that Alex Guinness couldn't stand his job during that scene.
Maybe, and yet Alec Guinness phoning it in in his duel with Vader was STILL lightyears ahead of the elaborately choreographed yet hopelessly emotionless lightsaber duels in the prequels. In fact none of the lightsaber duels in the prequels carried anywhere near the weight of any of the duels in the Original Trilogy. They might as well have been glowstick dance numbers.
Do you know anything about fighting? It IS essentially dance.
You've clearly never been near a pub in stoke on trent near chucking out time when port vale have just beat stoke.
*some* fighting maybe akin to dance but there is very little breaking a chair over someones head in swan lake.
But there IS Natalie Portman and Milla Kunis.
Yep.
I think the entire problem with ol' George and the prequels is that George Lucas cannot write dialogue and has never been able to write dialogue. In the OT, George had some people who were willing to tell him no and he was willing or was forced to listen. It is a rare individual who could create something as vast as the Star Wars universe and never make mistakes. Lucas is not perfect.
The prequels suffered because no one was able to tell Lucas no. He held the purse strings and he was working with people who had grown up loving Star Wars and the let George go nuts with no oversight at all. That's not a great recipe for a movie. We all tend to think of the studio as some evil force stifling the creative types and forcing out some watered down garbage but sometimes those studio types are necessary to tell the creative type, "this dialogue about sand is awful and you have to change it." That didn't happen in the prequels.
The problem with the prequels is it looked so cool on the poster!
Dancing is so similar to fighting that Bruce Lee won the 1958 Hong Kong cha cha championship.
Bruce Lee knew more about punching then anybody here. And often described it as similar to dancing.
Considering he's a creative consultant he doesn't need to see the trailer. He probably already knows what happens.
Creative consultant= call me if you want my input.
I don't think it is surprising that he hasn't seen the trailer. He wanted out, as is very clear by the paltry amount he sold his companies for.
I think the entire problem with ol' George and the prequels is that George Lucas cannot write dialogue and has never been able to write dialogue. In the OT, George had some people who were willing to tell him no and he was willing or was forced to listen. It is a rare individual who could create something as vast as the Star Wars universe and never make mistakes. Lucas is not perfect.
The prequels suffered because no one was able to tell Lucas no. He held the purse strings and he was working with people who had grown up loving Star Wars and the let George go nuts with no oversight at all. That's not a great recipe for a movie. We all tend to think of the studio as some evil force stifling the creative types and forcing out some watered down garbage but sometimes those studio types are necessary to tell the creative type, "this dialogue about sand is awful and you have to change it." That didn't happen in the prequels.
I sorta agree, but I sorta don't. That line about sand that people hate - what's wrong with it? The lad's not meant to be a poet, why should he come up with really romantic lines. The problem was that she fell for it. She should have been put off.
There you go, then.
I kind of hope whoever came up with that is homeless now.
You see my big problem with Lucas isnt that the prequels were average its just that he 'wings' continuity, makes up tenuous link s then pretends that he 'always meant there to be nine films' when in an interview in 78 he claims he only meant to do one and might make a sequel (paraphrasing).
Like in ANH its clear there is no plan at all that luke and leia are sibling and vader is lukes father.
it was put in later and now we have the 'eww' moment whenever leia kisses luke.
But there are loads of 'revisions' that just were not needed.
Worst decision though.
The mystical esoteric , almost taoist force is reduced to a fungal infection.
Yoda: nasty case of atheletes foot has he... i cannot train him.
Dancing is so similar to fighting that Bruce Lee won the 1958 Hong Kong cha cha championship.
Bruce Lee knew more about punching then anybody here. And often described it as similar to dancing.
I think that's where you're going wrong, nikk whyte. Bruce Lee was an incredibly talented and unique person, and his views and abilities are entirely his own, and not in any way consistent with those of the rest of the world.
I think this thread needs an injection of realism. Here we go:
Dancing is so similar to fighting that Bruce Lee won the 1958 Hong Kong cha cha championship.
Bruce Lee knew more about punching then anybody here. And often described it as similar to dancing.
Dude i spent three years in an infantry regiment. *real* fights do not have dramatic lines and prancing about. Some one just flys in wihtouth warning and the other guy is bleeding on the ground. No fancy footwork, no one liners.
Martial arts, yes, they have a lot of simularitites with dance
I do tai chi since my spinal wound and in its soft forms its like dancing but i could still lock a wrist and break your jaw with it if i sped it up
But honestly not all fighting has a lineness to dance.
Unless its a simularity to a mosh pit