sneaky barrel rolling and perfectly clearing

By Quarrel, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Q1: First, the easy one. This barrel roll is legal, yes? It satisfies the rules as written.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-2uIhBGR9mXdXhRaWJ4c1ZBVTA&authuser=0

Q2: Now the hard one. In this situation, the large ship is flush against the small ship and at a perfect right angle. The nubs aren't in the way. Does a 1-Straight maneuver move the first ship enough to reach the other side?

a. Yes. It gets to move and act.

b. No. It collides, doesn't move, and doesn't act.

c. It depends on exactly how large your physical pieces are, down to the sub-millimeter.

d. Something else.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-2uIhBGR9mXN2Z3SWxCRHcySE0&authuser=0

Q1: Yes, totally legal.

Q2: In theory, yes, the width of the base is supposedly the length a 1 forward movement and would clear. In reality, no - the chances of you being at a perfect right angle, and perfectly flush, and the template and the bases being exactly as specified are incredibly unlikely. Best to just call this one a no-go.

Edited by Cptnhalfbeard

Q1: Yes, fine.

Q2: If you measure the 1-straight against a ship base, you will find it to be about 1mm or more shorter than the base. You would have an overlap with no movement, and no Perform Action step.

Q2: If you measure the 1-straight against a ship base, you will find it to be about 1mm or more shorter than the base.

Precisely. The cardboard is indeed shorter than the base.

Q2: In theory, yes, the width of the base is supposedly the length a 1 forward movement and would clear.

Where does this information come from? I've haerad it a lot and not long ago I would have said the same. How ever, I can't recall where this assumption originaly comes from. Has it ever been officialy stated that a small ship base is the same length/width as a 1 forward maneuver template?

I think someone must have just sized up the base and the template and thought they were they same, when in fact, they are not. I've not seen it "officially" stated anywhere.

The small ship bases are the same length as a 1 forward, however the nubs project beyond this and prevent you bunny-hopping over. the same goes for large bases and 2 forwards.

If there is no nub-to-base overlap you could in theory get past, but you have to have been lined up perfectly.

The small ship bases are the same length as a 1 forward,

No they are not. The bases are longer than the template.

The small ship bases are the same length as a 1 forward,

No they are not. The bases are longer than the template.

That depends on the manufacturing standard as cutting cardboard can have some very liberal tolerances. Is it meant to be the same length is the more appropriate question.

Well, here's an idea just to put everyone's mind at ease. Everyone grab a small ship and their cardboard 1 template and confirm for yourself. Have a real good look, and compare it to the bottom of the ship base as the top is smaller due to the taper.

I accept the cardboard tolerances may vary, but I think the plastic ship bases should be a good datum. I know my 1 template is about 1mm shorter than the ship, and I've heard this is very common around the world. I have yet to hear about a template being exactly the same as a base, or bigger for that matter.

Okay don't quote me on this right now because I don't have the parts in front of me but small ship bases are not square the last time I checked. Ignoring the nubs, they are longer than they are wide. I measured the 1 straight across the width of a base because I was curious about an opponent that deployed b wings parallel and side by side and had them barrel roll over each other. When I get home I'll pull out a bunch of bases and compare each one but from the one I checked a month ago that seems to be the case.

I've just measured my 1 template at 39.25mm long, and a small ship base is 40mm wide by 40mm long (excluding nubs). The 2 template is 79.5mm and the large ship base is 81.25 wide by 80mm long (excluding nubs).

The joys of vernier callipers. :)

The 1 template is indeed shorter than a small base. Confirmed by the FFG official acrylic templates.

The 1 template is indeed shorter than a small base. Confirmed by the FFG official acrylic templates.

Would I lie to you? ;)

The question is not if the template is shorter than the base, the question is the template longer/shorter then the base is wide? from my observation the ship bases are not perfectly square and are slightly longer then they are wide so make sure your measuring the right side of the base against the template.

Which is exactly why I measured the width and length of the bases.