C-3PO crew with Lando crew Action

By sneth, in X-Wing Rules Questions

I had an opponent that was using C-3PO on the Action of Lando crew as it only says before you roll defense dice. It seems legit, and I couldn't find anything that says otherwise in the FAQ.
Is there anything that would limit C-3PO to an agility defense roll, or can you use it with the Lando crew Action as well?
C-3PO
Once per round, before you roll 1 or more defense dice, you may guess aloud a number of Evade results. If you roll that many Evade results (before modifying dice), add 1 Evade result.
Lando
Action: Roll 2 defense dice. For each Focus result, assign 1 focus token to your ship. For each Evade result, assign 1 evade token to your ship.

I don't know if that's what they had in mind. But the wording for both cards is the same, so I'd say that RAW they work together.

C-3PO wouldn't directly add an Evade Token, but it would add an <evade> result to the dice pool that Lando uses to assign Tokens.

Edited by VanorDM

seems entirely plausible though I have no idea what your are going to do with a transient "Evade result" during your activation phase. seeing as your not being attacked and the result wont carry over to the first time you are attacked in the combat phase it seems a waste of C-3PO's ability.

TL;DR C-3PO does not give you an evade token, just an evade result (which will vanish almost immediately if you don't use it).

seems entirely plausible though I have no idea what your are going to do with a transient "Evade result" during your activation phase. seeing as your not being attacked and the result wont carry over to the first time you are attacked in the combat phase it seems a waste of C-3PO's ability.

TL;DR C-3PO does not give you an evade token, just an evade result (which will vanish almost immediately if you don't use it).

Lando says: For each Evade result, assign 1 evade token to your ship.

An extra result will mean an extra evade token, which can be used against any attack, and is guaranteed on top of the roll (contra the normal use of -3PO, which is usually to guarantee a result from a single die).

I had an opponent that was using C-3PO on the Action of Lando crew as it only says before you roll defense dice. It seems legit, and I couldn't find anything that says otherwise in the FAQ.
Is there anything that would limit C-3PO to an agility defense roll, or can you use it with the Lando crew Action as well?
C-3PO
Once per round, before you roll 1 or more defense dice, you may guess aloud a number of Evade results. If you roll that many Evade results (before modifying dice), add 1 Evade result.
Lando
Action: Roll 2 defense dice. For each Focus result, assign 1 focus token to your ship. For each Evade result, assign 1 evade token to your ship.

Recon and Jan might be a better choice for your opponet. All he is doing is use 1 card to take away risk from another

how did the match go? did that trick make a diffrence?

That trick makes sure you always get at least one evade when you take the lando action. Also having 3PO means you get an evade even if you are denied action.

How does C3PO work with Lone wolf. Say I have a Han, I guess zero and roll a blank, I add one evade result to my one blank roll. Now can I use lone wolf to reroll and try to get an evade? C3PO says add one evade result, not change the result or the die.

How does C3PO work with Lone wolf. Say I have a Han, I guess zero and roll a blank, I add one evade result to my one blank roll. Now can I use lone wolf to reroll and try to get an evade? C3PO says add one evade result, not change the result or the die.

Yep. Once you've 3p0'd, you can manipulate the die however you wish.

I had an opponent that was using C-3PO on the Action of Lando crew as it only says before you roll defense dice. It seems legit, and I couldn't find anything that says otherwise in the FAQ.
Is there anything that would limit C-3PO to an agility defense roll, or can you use it with the Lando crew Action as well?

Recon and Jan might be a better choice for your opponet. All he is doing is use 1 card to take away risk from another

how did the match go? did that trick make a diffrence?

It didn't make a difference. This came up out of desperation, and after we agreed it was legal he proceeded to guess 2 evades on the Lando roll giving him 3 evade tokens for a round. It paid off for that one round, but the Empire proceeded to crush him soon after.

As interesting as the discussion is, why would you use C-3rd on Land? You want to use it on a single die roll where you are more likely to guess the outcome.

You can always guess 0 to guarantee at least 1. In this case, it gets you at least one evade token and still your dice roll when defending, giving you the chance for a 2nd evade (while using 3PO on the defense roll can guarantee exactly 1 evade but doesn't give you the shot for a 2nd without risking getting 0). Overall worth it as it's costing an action (and the upgrade slot for Lando)? Possibly not, but I'm sure someone will run the math.

You want to use it on a single die roll where you are more likely to guess the outcome.

The whole point of C-3PO really is the guaranteed evade he offers. So you'd use him the same way you do when you roll defense die against an attack.

If you use him with Lando every time, he's going to most likely give you less evades then if you used him with the 1 defense die from an attack. But depending on how you look at it, that may not matter.

Is Goldenrod there to give you evade tokens, or to make sure you always get at least one? If the latter then using him with Lando has the same effect.

You'd should be better off using C-3PO on Lando's roll instead of on a Defense roll when attacked by something like Wedge that drops your agility.

when attacked by something like Wedge that drops your agility.

That's a good point.

But it still is 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other, unless you know that the only ship that can or are likely to attack the YT that turn, are ship(s) that can lower your agility. Like Wedge, or ships with Outmaneuver.

With the dominance of Fat Han, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing a lot of Outmaneuver/Wedge/Intimidate builds going around. In those instances, this combo lets you use C3P0 even though they've built to counter it.

The biggest difference, IMHO, is that 3PO has to be declared before your roll, while the evade token can be spent after. Yes, if you guess zero on Lando you still only guarantee one evade, but you guarantee that evade will be used to reduce damage. 3PO guaranteeing the roll only does anything 5 times in 8, as the declaration is wasted if you roll the evade.

In isolation, he's no more likely to give you an evade, but when you consider the chance to place his result on the attack you want it on, it's a notable improvement.

seems entirely plausible though I have no idea what your are going to do with a transient "Evade result" during your activation phase. seeing as your not being attacked and the result wont carry over to the first time you are attacked in the combat phase it seems a waste of C-3PO's ability.

TL;DR C-3PO does not give you an evade token, just an evade result (which will vanish almost immediately if you don't use it).

Lando says: For each Evade result, assign 1 evade token to your ship.

An extra result will mean an extra evade token, which can be used against any attack, and is guaranteed on top of the roll (contra the normal use of -3PO, which is usually to guarantee a result from a single die).

So it does, I stand corrected.

Still dont have wave 5 in my neck of the woods yet maybe that’s why I'm a little rusty today.

As noted in the other thread on this, the main advantage is that after using 3po to get a guaranteed evade from lando you also get to roll the defence die when attacked as well. makes you much more likely to get 2 evades against an attack from 1 def die, especially if you also got a focus or 2 from lando.

then you can put jan in a nearby ship, ptl for a focus action or MF title and stand a good chance of getting 3-4 evade tokens and still get to use your defence dice.

Hmmm, that is a neat trick, a little rule lawyering though still legit according to card text. I wouldn't be surprised if in a later FAQ/errata they add When defending to the card.

Hmmm, that is a neat trick, a little rule lawyering though still legit according to card text. I wouldn't be surprised if in a later FAQ/errata they add When defending to the card.

I don't see a need. I mean, yes, it might not be what they originally intended for Threepio, but it's not breaking the game (in fact, the jury's still out on whether it's even a good combo). It's not really much different from the rules quirk with Night Beast, and if it's not making a fuss why bother?

It also seems pretty good fluff-wise to me. Lando is gambling and, unlike han, is perfectly happy for 3p0 to tell him the odds. :)