It would need to be a title rather than a mod, otherwise no ACD/accelerator.
That is why I suggested the illicit upgrade that several scum and villainy ships have.
No ship that small has a cloaking device!
It would need to be a title rather than a mod, otherwise no ACD/accelerator.
ACD is Phantom only anyways.
I don't really like the idea of a cloaking device as an upgrade that can be put on any ship that has the right slot. I think if another ship gets it then it should be an upgrade that can only go on one ship, or just come on the ship.
A cloaking device seriously changes how ships play and letting you put it on any ships with the right upgrade slot just doesn't seem right.
As technology in Star Wars goes cloaking devices are about as obscure as they come. Normally I would say that something like that should not be allowed to a paramilitary force like scum an villany. But the criminal element in Star Wars (though not generally) can sometimes compete toe to toe with purpose built military equipment. That being said, for who ever has it, a cloaking device should be rare.
Oh, and did I mention, expensive!
Cloak on a Y wing
Please make it work some how i would love to have a Y wing throw 4 green dice
Y-Wing + Stealth Device + Range 3 + obstructed
I think a firespray with cloak would be scary powerful, due in large part to the double arcs. I can arc dodge and still hit you. At least the phantom does not have an auxillary arc.
Y-wings don't have the illicit upgrade slot. Unless there is an EPT, salvaged astromech or other upgrade that adds it, most ships are out of luck. Even the StarViper has to have the Virago title card.
I don't really like the idea of a cloaking device as an upgrade that can be put on any ship that has the right slot. I think if another ship gets it then it should be an upgrade that can only go on one ship, or just come on the ship.
A cloaking device seriously changes how ships play and letting you put it on any ships with the right upgrade slot just doesn't seem right.
As technology in Star Wars goes cloaking devices are about as obscure as they come. Normally I would say that something like that should not be allowed to a paramilitary force like scum an villany. But the criminal element in Star Wars (though not generally) can sometimes compete toe to toe with purpose built military equipment. That being said, for who ever has it, a cloaking device should be rare.
Oh, and did I mention, expensive!
Does it? You have to separate the Cloak action from the Phantom, as well as the Advanced Cloaking Device. And action to prevent your attack for only +2 Agi isn't that great. And without the Advanced Cloaking Device, you prevent a lot of the Phantom shenanigans.
That quote always bugged me, as far as I can remember not only do we never see a ship that actually does have a cloaking device in the Star Wars films (small or otherwise), we never hear it mentioned again...
In the video game that introduced the Phantom, the status quo is maintained after the end of the game via the player destroying the supply of the unobtanium that allows the fighters to be made. One could assume that only that special mineral allows cloaking technology to be miniaturized to the point it can be mounted on a fighter. Furthermore, one could also assume a difference between a 'cloak' (hides you from Imperial Slug's radar) and the true invisibility the Phantom has.
we never see a ship that actually does have a cloaking device in the Star Wars films
Well no, of course not. There are actually dozens of them in the movies, but nobody ever actually SEES them. ;P
Sure, let's take away more unique things from the Empire to give to the other factions shall we?
They're already loosing bombs to scum, now you want to give away cloak too?
Only if you agree to give Rebels their turret back. 
I have no problem with cloaking devices being available to Scum (in a very limited way). Rebels should have access to bombs eventually. It's fine. The factions will still have their individual characteristics even if there's some blurring at the edges.
we never see a ship that actually does have a cloaking device in the Star Wars films
Well no, of course not. There are actually dozens of them in the movies, but nobody ever actually SEES them. ;P
>.> that's not how standard cloaks work they hide from sensors not visual detection, only the phantom was truly invisible due to the super rare crystal they blew a planet appart to obtain.
I know almost nothing about the now-defunct EU, but I thought the Phantom was supposed to be cutting edge military technology, like the B-2 in 1997. If so, then introducing cloaking technology to the Scum faction would be like the Chinese somehow having similar stealth technology in 1998. Even after all their espionage, to this day they still don't come close.
The Tarkin novel that was just released features a chase after a stealth-device having frigate. The Stealth ship was ~100 meters long, and totally invisible to every wavelength. Also: people could see out of it (I don't think they could fire while cloaked). It specifically used stygium technology.
This book- and the clone wars show that it references- are part of the new Canon.
So we could well see an Imperial Huge ship with a cloaking device, though in practice, that might be too similar to the reinforce action to be interesting.
And Maul's ship had a cloaking device.
The Tarkin novel that was just released features a chase after a stealth-device having frigate. The Stealth ship was ~100 meters long, and totally invisible to every wavelength. Also: people could see out of it (I don't think they could fire while cloaked). It specifically used stygium technology.
This book- and the clone wars show that it references- are part of the new Canon.
So we could well see an Imperial Huge ship with a cloaking device, though in practice, that might be too similar to the reinforce action to be interesting.
It definitely fired while cloaked. There were many paragraphs in which the fighters or gunners had to just fire blindly at where the Spike's lasers seemed to come from.
It definitely fired while cloaked. There were many paragraphs in which the fighters or gunners had to just fire blindly at where the Spike's lasers seemed to come from.
That's right, I do recall now.
I'm thinking a Huge ship that cloaks would be untargetable unless it had fired that round, and would have 4 defense dice when fired on (minus 1 die for every time it fired that round). This would be instead of the crazy moving that Phantoms get.
Cloaking devices would also eat a lot of energy, because balance.
Advanced Cloaking Device is indeed for TIE Phantom only.
But Stygium Particle Accelerator isn´t.
There is a thread somewhere discussing whether this means there will be other cloakable ships.
A sort of (unstable?) cloaking device as an Illicit Upgrade would add a whole lot of problems.
Not in the least making the S&V-faction suddenly the faction with the highest variety of cloakable ships in the Galaxy.
Imagine encountering cloaked HWK´s, Star Vipers, Aggressors and Firesprays 
With the Empire having just one type and the Rebels currently none, that would be ridiculous 
It could even be a deal-breaker for a large swath of fans due to the complete dissappearance of balance in the game.
Considering what they did to large ship barrel rolls, you will not see a large ship with a cloak. It creates a weird dichotomy between the maneuvers when you decloak.
The only broken thing about cloaking is the ACD. Without it, it's fine.
Phantoms in particular also have that 4 attack dice which is another matter.
The only broken thing about cloaking is the ACD. Without it, it's fine.
Phantoms in particular also have that 4 attack dice which is another matter.
Only Phantoms can have ACD though. Also ACD is not that good on Shadows or Sigmas because they would still be exposed for most of the combat phase.
From a strict lore perspective, "No ship that small has a cloaking device!" is, in general terms, a true sentence.
The reason is that there were several less advanced versions of cloaking devices available to ships, but cumbersome, and not as effective and technologically advanced as the phantom one's.
The phantom's cloaking device was unique both in its design and in the use of the extremely rare stygium crystals. Those were what allowed its small size and extreme functionality.
So, our unfortunate captain should have said... "No ship that small has a cloaking device!... unless it is a TIE Phantom!!!"
I'm hoping Empires the only one to get Tractor Beams.
I don't know. Tractor beams seem pretty integral to a bounty hunter's job. How are you gonna dock with your target without a tractor beam? Plus, the books specifically mention Boba Fett having a tractor beam on the Slave I. I suppose you could still make it Imperial Only and then Imperial Boba Fett could still equip it. But Rebels should definitely not get tractor Beams, in my opinion.
Advanced Cloaking Device is indeed for TIE Phantom only.
But Stygium Particle Accelerator isn´t.
There is a thread somewhere discussing whether this means there will be other cloakable ships.
A sort of (unstable?) cloaking device as an Illicit Upgrade would add a whole lot of problems.
Not in the least making the S&V-faction suddenly the faction with the highest variety of cloakable ships in the Galaxy.
Imagine encountering cloaked HWK´s, Star Vipers, Aggressors and Firesprays
With the Empire having just one type and the Rebels currently none, that would be ridiculous
It could even be a deal-breaker for a large swath of fans due to the complete dissappearance of balance in the game.
I don't see it as being a deal breaker. If it happens, and I believe it will, it will be pricy. Do you choose a cloaking device or a scyk?
From a strict lore perspective, "No ship that small has a cloaking device!" is, in general terms, a true sentence.
The reason is that there were several less advanced versions of cloaking devices available to ships, but cumbersome, and not as effective and technologically advanced as the phantom one's.
The phantom's cloaking device was unique both in its design and in the use of the extremely rare stygium crystals. Those were what allowed its small size and extreme functionality.
So, our unfortunate captain should have said... "No ship that small has a cloaking device!... unless it is a TIE Phantom!!!"
To be fair classified project so he probably knew nothing about the phantom, obviously the security was high and if not for the events at imdar alpha the rebels and every one else would of been crushed by thousands of invisible fighters.