Basically for me, the second they put stuff from this generic SciFi film into X-wing I will bid the game good-day. But to each his own.
You're right, because Star Wars didn't set the trend for "generic sci-fi" or anything. I guess looking like itself / what it spawned is bad.
Sorry, autocorrect did mess up my sentence. I meant garbage SciFi. Thanks for catching my mistake.
I meant garbage SciFi.
It's truly amazing how many people judge something based on pretty much zero information...
Yes, the movie is next year, but board game/miniatures or the RPG are niche market items compared to the toys from hasbro. Fantasy Flight is unlikely to be given the go ahead to design and market ships before the movie. FFG are a small operation in the grand scheme of things. While I hope I am wrong, I honestly don't believe we will see sequel ships for quite a while. The toys are mass marketable items. The stuff, albeit great stuff, from FFG is not mass marketable despite what anyone here will say.FFG likely wouldn't be able to release anything that reveals characters/ships till a few months befor the movie release. I would bet no sequel ships till 2016 at the earliest.
I would agree, but doesnt the movie come out in dec 2015, so maybe they could get them out by then?
Didn't stop WOTC from getting access to ROTS and getting access and still releasing the The Force Unleashed set a year before the game. If LFL wants FFG's games to be part of the marketing blitz, then they will get just enough info to make the stuff. Even Decipher had very, very limited info on Episode I when they started work on the first Episode I set. Which was sort of funny, because LFL force them to do it.
I mean, FFG apparently also has some info on what is coming, based on them accidentally bumping into no go areas.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see stuff sooner, just not at the cost of quality, something I feel wotc was lacking.
It's truly amazing how many people judge something based on pretty much zero information...
Sadly - in the 21st Century, and the Age of Entitlement - no it's not.
It's truly amazing how many people judge something based on pretty much zero information...I meant garbage SciFi.
Hardly zero information!
We know what Jar Jar did to Trek!!
I just hope that, as someone said above, that he's trying to win us OT fans over.
If he doesn't have some respect to the 30+ years of expanded universe material then I think a lot of us are going to treat the next films like we treat the PT, a side show freak!!
It's truly amazing how many people judge something based on pretty much zero information...I meant garbage SciFi.
Hardly zero information!
We know what Jar Jar did to Trek!!
I just hope that, as someone said above, that he's trying to win us OT fans over.
If he doesn't have some respect to the 30+ years of expanded universe material then I think a lot of us are going to treat the next films like we treat the PT, a side show freak!!
OT fan =/= EU fan. Plenty of people who know and love the OT and don't know squat about the EU.
OT fan =/= EU fan. Plenty of people who know and love the OT and don't know squat about the EU.Hardly zero information!We know what Jar Jar did to Trek!!I just hope that, as someone said above, that he's trying to win us OT fans over.If he doesn't have some respect to the 30+ years of expanded universe material then I think a lot of us are going to treat the next films like we treat the PT, a side show freak!!It's truly amazing how many people judge something based on pretty much zero information...I meant garbage SciFi.
and come on be serious here, if you grew up through the 80's & 90's and were not exposed to anything other than the three OT films then how can you consider yourself to be a serious star wars fan.
Edited by stegocentAs for the topic, could we expect to see JJWars ships in this great game of ours?
Sure why not?
Unless he makes phantom menace quality carp then I think were good.
Id much rather have the JJ-X-Wing than those silly looking ties from rebels
TIEs already look silly.
Unless he makes phantom menace quality carp then I think were good.
Phantom menace quality carp?
But if we are gonna get into this era, I want StealthXs before we get the new stuff!
Outright overwritten by the new stuff.
NO, of course it isn't, your talent for stating the obvious is unrivaled, but you are forgetting that FFG has already planned out the 2015 release schedule and has had it approved, so unless we are only getting 1 wave filled with rebels ships, more EU ships will come before the movies come out.
We know what Jar Jar did to Trek!!
You mean a movie that made a crap load of money because so many people went to see both of them? Yeah I'd hate to see that happen to these movies...
if you grew up through the 80's & 90's and were not exposed to anything other than the three OT films then how can you consider yourself to be a serious star wars fan.
I know a lot of people who consider themselves Star Wars fans who know nothing about the EU. Hell how many posts have we seen from people here who don't want anything other than OT ships?
Considering how much of the EU was little more then published fanfic, the amount of respect he needs to pay to it, pretty much the same as the amount of respect it deserves.
Especially for the time period they are talking about.
We know what Jar Jar did to Trek!!
You mean a movie that made a crap load of money because so many people went to see both of them? Yeah I'd hate to see that happen to these movies...
if you grew up through the 80's & 90's and were not exposed to anything other than the three OT films then how can you consider yourself to be a serious star wars fan.
I know a lot of people who consider themselves Star Wars fans who know nothing about the EU. Hell how many posts have we seen from people here who don't want anything other than OT ships?
Considering how much of the EU was little more then published fanfic, the amount of respect he needs to pay to it, pretty much the same as the amount of respect it deserves.
Yeah but the people that went to watch it were clueless about startrek they were happy because things went boom, they were frankly the bottom of the gene pool that are easily entertained by explosions and avoid intelligent movies like the plague because they are "boring".
Yeah but the people that went to watch it were clueless about startrek
Does not matter in the least. Movies aren't made just for the hard core fans, if they were, no more movies would be made because the hard core fans aren't going to buy enough tickets to pay back the production costs.
So I don't care if people who liked the Star Trek movies were IYO true fans or not, because that just doesn't matter. Never has, never will.
The same goes for the Star Wars movies, they're being made for the general population not just the hard core fans. In fact they are likely to do better the less they cater to the hard core fans, most of whom will never be happy no matter what JJ does.
Yeah but the people that went to watch it were clueless about startrek they were happy because things went boom, they were frankly the bottom of the gene pool that are easily entertained by explosions and avoid intelligent movies like the plague because they are "boring".You mean a movie that made a crap load of money because so many people went to see both of them? Yeah I'd hate to see that happen to these movies...We know what Jar Jar did to Trek!!
I know a lot of people who consider themselves Star Wars fans who know nothing about the EU. Hell how many posts have we seen from people here who don't want anything other than OT ships?if you grew up through the 80's & 90's and were not exposed to anything other than the three OT films then how can you consider yourself to be a serious star wars fan.
Considering how much of the EU was little more then published fanfic, the amount of respect he needs to pay to it, pretty much the same as the amount of respect it deserves.
They don't feel like the old trek, that is because they are for a different market. The "problem" with Star Trek is that it is supposed to be a future where humanity has gotten better. Star Trek has been deviating from that for a while.
Younger crowds wanted a light hearted non serious action flick. Considering how well it did amongst non and previous Trek Fans, it is not a bad movie. It doesn't even invalidate the previous movies - it is an alternate timeline.
Calling people who enjoy the movie stupid, and being bottom of the gene pool is arrogant at best and completely prejudiced.
Star wars is not and has never been an intellectual movie. It is a fun popcorn flick.
Yeah but the people that went to watch it were clueless about startrek they were happy because things went boom, they were frankly the bottom of the gene pool that are easily entertained by explosions and avoid intelligent movies like the plague because they are "boring".
Superiority complex much? 
I've seen ST:TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9 all multiple times. I can intelligently discuss the implications of a section 13 or what happened with the Klingons to get them so crinkly faced. I've played some games and read some books. The sms-signal on my phone is the bridge hailing sound from TOS.
And I liked the new movies.
The only people who get to decide if they qualify to be called a fan are the people themselves.
SW: TFA is shaping up to be a fun movie that fits in the style of the OT with designs that are taken straight from the original concept art.
Yeah but the people that went to watch it were clueless about startrek they were happy because things went boom, they were frankly the bottom of the gene pool that are easily entertained by explosions and avoid intelligent movies like the plague because they are "boring".
As a long time fan of the original Star Trek as well as Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, I can quite happily say that in my opinion, JJ Abram's Star Trek and Star Trek: Into Darkness are two of the three best Star Trek films in the last ten.
But that's just my opinion, of course. Not everyone has the mental capacity to embrace a beloved franchise being rebooted or shifted in a different direction. Some people shook their heads, closed their eyes, covered their ears and went "nope, nope, nope" when Christopher Nolan was announced to be rebooting the Batman franchise, preferring instead to cling on to their fond childhood memories of Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson, Michelle Pfeiffer and Danny DeVito. Some people are just, you know, set in their ways. Stubborn. Obstinate. Scared of change, even if that change is quite clearly both inevitable and ultimately for the better.
Do those closed minded people who refuse to accept the continued evolution and development of a franchise really deserve to be called "fans" more than those who are happy and willing to embrace a new director breathing new life and new ideas into their favourite stories?
I'd say no. And that they deserve to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Century of the Fruitbat instead.
Edited by FTS Gecko
As a long time fan of the original Star Trek as well as Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, I can quite happily say that in my opinion, JJ Abram's Star Trek and Star Trek: Into Darkness are two of the three best Star Trek films in the last ten.
So, that's two of the four best ST films in the last twelve, is what you're saying. 
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Unless you consider 5 hours of coasting over V'Ger makes for a good movie. 
. Then it'd be 2 out of best 5.
Not everyone has the mental capacity to embrace a beloved franchise being rebooted or shifted in a different direction.
One of my favorite books ever is Starship Troopers. Got the book back in the late 70's and have owned a copy ever since. I break it out and read it every few years or so. Have read it a dozen or more times. Even owned the Avalon Hill board game for it.
I saw the movie Starship Troopers, which quite frankly had some names in common with the book, and the very basic idea behind it... Namely guys flying in starships fighting alien bugs. When I rented it, I knew full well what I was getting and because of that I enjoyed the movie despite the fact it was only very, very loosely based on the books.
I for the record really enjoyed JJ's trek movies, for much the same reason. I knew what I was getting into and put aside any expectations of TOS or TNG aside and considered the movie for what it was.
I'm fairly sure at one point JJ and other people were discussing what to do about the Trekies, and I'm also fairly sure that they said "screw em, because nothing we do will make them happy." So why bother trying? There was no way at all possible they were going to win over some/many/most of the hard core trekies out there, and trying to do so would of just made the movie less and less appealing to the general population.
Not to mention that Paul Verhoeven was filming a movie tentatively called Bug Hunt on Outpost 9 when someone told him it was a lot like Starship Troopers which most of the writers were unfamiliar with. They then just bought the rights and rebranded the movie, that's why it is so massively different.
that's why it is so massively different.
I never knew that. That does explain a lot. I had heard that the reason for the lack of power armor was budget.
I wonder how people would have coped if Paul Verhoeven had been announced as the next Star Wars director..?
I wonder how people would have coped if Paul Verhoeven had been announced as the next Star Wars director..?
Well, he isn't a bad director. Soldier of Orange is still one of the best WW2 movies in existence, and there are other good movies he's made, Basic Instinct, Blackbook for instance.
He is just way too explicit for Star Wars which is a family friendly franchise.
Not to mention that Paul Verhoeven was filming a movie tentatively called Bug Hunt on Outpost 9 when someone told him it was a lot like Starship Troopers which most of the writers were unfamiliar with. They then just bought the rights and rebranded the movie, that's why it is so massively different.
Oh neat! Didn't know that. The good ol' "I, Robot" approach.
