OT: Ep VII That darn lighstaber.

By Robin Graves, in X-Wing

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Speaking of lightsabers.

Some cool things to note in The Force Awakens trailer.

In the speeder sequence featuring actress Daisy Ridley [Kira], a closeup shot of her at the controls includes what looks like a weapon, with a lightsaber-style handle, strapped to the side.

Follow up question.

"Is Daisy Ridley's [Kira] character Princess Leia and Han Solo's daughter?"

Difficult to say, though there is a clear similarity between the shot used in the trailer, in which Ridley's character mounts a speeder bike, and the sequence in Return of the Jedi in which Princess Leia does the same. The style of Ridley's clothing is even reminiscent, which cannot be coincidence.

Second follow up question.

"Is the desert planet Tattooine?"

That seems almost certain, there are few planets more Iconic to Star Wars than Tattooine. Further in the trailer we see in the distance what appears to be moisture vaporators, the principal tool of water farming, one of Tattooine's major industries, and what look to be burned-out pod engines, a mainstay of Tattooine's pod-racing industry.

Speaking of lightsabers.

Some cool things to note in The Force Awakens trailer.

In the speeder sequence featuring actress Daisy Ridley [Kira], a closeup shot of her at the controls includes what looks like a weapon, with a lightsaber-style handle, strapped to the side.

Follow up question.

"Is Daisy Ridley's [Kira] character Princess Leia and Han Solo's daughter?"

Difficult to say, though there is a clear similarity between the shot used in the trailer, in which Ridley's character mounts a speeder bike, and the sequence in Return of the Jedi in which Princess Leia does the same. The style of Ridley's clothing is even reminiscent, which cannot be coincidence.

Second follow up question.

"Is the desert planet Tattooine?"

That seems almost certain, there are few planets more Iconic to Star Wars than Tattooine. Further in the trailer we see in the distance what appears to be moisture vaporators, the principal tool of water farming, one of Tattooine's major industries, and what look to be burned-out pod engines, a mainstay of Tattooine's pod-racing industry.

You could be very much correct on both accounts. I guess time will tell.

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Lightshields! Because...why not?

And since they are small enough to be wrist mounted, one could possibly combine them with a saber to create a saber with a proper hand guard. A lightcutlas maybe.

That makes the most sense. Also, I know its EU, but there was a certain material that a lightsaber blade couldn't cut through. I think it was some type of rock. That could be the material used that's formed around the hilt.

It depends though what type of lightsabre blade hits the guard. If its a Krayt Dragon type it will cut through any of the material people use to make "light sabre prof" armour. If its infused by the dark side it will cut through.

Even though this info comes from older sources its still canon as was said most recently by two important SW writers. Even when GL was runing this he made it clear that EU was canon because "in the end its all part of the SW saga." That was said during the CW series. "SAGA" is a very powerful word to use when dictating what is and isnt canon.

So dont be shy checking the EU stuff out :)

I'll argue with Sam Jackson. Why mess with an established mythos? If you love the mythos enough to beg to be put in it, don't ask for your favorite color that hasn't been a lightsaber yet. Don't trick it out with gold.

But the real fault lies with Lucas, as with most things in Star Wars. He could have said, "No" to everything from making up a character for a popular actor who couldn't pull off the part to the color of his saber. I guess we should just thank The Force no boy bands ended up on the screen with Mace, Jar Jar, mitochondrial scientific explanations of spirituality, and all the other poor decisions.

Recently the subject of the original Star Wars poster came up in another thread. In that poster, Luke's lightsaber is thicker at the hilt than it is at the end. Do lightsabers taper all the way down? Are they rounded at the end like a hot dog or pointed like a pencil? Go back and watch all official incarnations, it is obvious that no one is sure.

All that being said, I don't like any deviation from light SABER. Light (Insert Exotic Weapon) has always just come off as pandering to fan boys as far as I'm concerned.

It was established in canon that blades and projectors can be diffrent jedi - jedi sith - sith. Sith have always had the most unique weapons compared to jedi. Even Vaders was diffrent than Lukes and Old Bens, besides color.

It was only during the time ROTS onward did they have pointed lightsabre blades.

Also the Lightsabre pike already exists as does my FAV of all time, the Light Sabre LANCE. Its only used by shadow guard.

Lastly how do we know till we see the movie that his cross guards are even the Plasma or LASER or Supernatural type blade? For all we know it could be the "Hard-light" type which "shouldnt" burn or cut things. If its the Ion type it can instant kill droids and stun most living things. The last would require great skill to use because instead of losing your hand if your grip slips youll just be knocked out cold and then finished off probably.

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Lightshields! Because...why not?

And since they are small enough to be wrist mounted, one could possibly combine them with a saber to create a saber with a proper hand guard. A lightcutlas maybe.

Imperial Guard, Soverign Guard, and Shadow Guard did what you suggested :) Palpe knew what he was doing ;)

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Lightshields! Because...why not?

And since they are small enough to be wrist mounted, one could possibly combine them with a saber to create a saber with a proper hand guard. A lightcutlas maybe.

Those have been around for a while though. Durge for example used a pair of them against Kenobi, though they did not last very long against the latters attacks.

Hey, you guys remember how Greivous' magnaguards repelled lightsabers with solid staves?

Yeah that.

Hey, you guys remember how Greivous' magnaguards repelled lightsabers with solid staves?

Yeah that.

They were made out of phrik, which is another lightsaber-resistant material.

Hey, you guys remember how Greivous' magnaguards repelled lightsabers with solid staves?

Yeah that.

They were made out of phrik, which is another lightsaber-resistant material.

And if people try to say, "Well Phrik is EU", EU or not those staves reflected lightsabers, so yeah.

I mean it really baffles me that people think the entire thing is pointless because, "The crossguard emitters can just be lopped off."

It's like criticizing someone who lowers the suspension of their car by saying, "I bet speed bumps and inclines are hell for them!"

As if they hadn't thought of that!?

Interesting thing with the cross... I've never seen anyone have the blade contact the cross where it meets the blade. I'm sure it happens occasionally accidentally, but... In every style that I know anything about (which admittedly, there are plenty I don't) you don't actually block with the cross. In point of fact, if we are talking German longsword you don't block, per se, at all. You throw a cut that (usually) crosses the centreline of your body while stepping diagonally behind the cut. You always strike towards the other person, never at their sword; you are protected by the fact that your sword covers the line. If both people strike at the other correctly, your swords meet between you but it is definitely not a block, and it is always the blade meeting their blade. Where the cross becomes involved is when you wind into their openings from the krieg (bind)- as you wind to a lower opening you trap your opponents blade between the starcke (in modern fencing parlance, the forte) and the outer part of the cross. The usable part of the cross is, in fact, the part which is light-sabery in the trailer.

I actually wouldn't be entirely surprised if the person who designed the light-longsword had some knowledge of kunst des fechtens.

ETA: I forgot the one block that does use the centre of the cross! The guard Kron uses it to defend your head. I forgot that because... Well, no-one ever uses it. So there is one, rather obscure guard which you can't use with the LLS. It isn't one of Liectenauer's four primary guards though, I don't know if anyone mentions it earlier than Joachim Meyer (I think Fiore dei Liberi may use a version of it, but I know less about the Italian style).

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ETA: I forgot the one block that does use the centre of the cross! The guard Kron uses it to defend your head. I forgot that because... Well, no-one ever uses it. So there is one, rather obscure guard which you can't use with the LLS. It isn't one of Liectenauer's four primary guards though, I don't know if anyone mentions it earlier than Joachim Meyer (I think Fiore dei Liberi may use a version of it, but I know less about the Italian style).

Kron, or Corona as we call it, is probably one of my favourite guards. That, and Finestra. I find them so easy to transition into usefully. Hardly obscure! Want something oscure? How about Posta di Falcone from Vadi? lol

ETA: I forgot the one block that does use the centre of the cross! The guard Kron uses it to defend your head. I forgot that because... Well, no-one ever uses it. So there is one, rather obscure guard which you can't use with the LLS. It isn't one of Liectenauer's four primary guards though, I don't know if anyone mentions it earlier than Joachim Meyer (I think Fiore dei Liberi may use a version of it, but I know less about the Italian style).

Kron, or Corona as we call it, is probably one of my favourite guards. That, and Finestra. I find them so easy to transition into usefully. Hardly obscure! Want something oscure? How about Posta di Falcone from Vadi? lol

Lol well as I said, I don't know the Italian style very well. Kron is an obscure guard in the German style if you aren't reading Meyer or Mair. Finestra I get though, the window (or a variant) is used in Lichtenauer at the bind.

I've read through a Vadi translation but I don't know what to make of him- is he a successor to Fiore or something different? He seems quite thrust-oriented.

ETA: I forgot the one block that does use the centre of the cross! The guard Kron uses it to defend your head. I forgot that because... Well, no-one ever uses it. So there is one, rather obscure guard which you can't use with the LLS. It isn't one of Liectenauer's four primary guards though, I don't know if anyone mentions it earlier than Joachim Meyer (I think Fiore dei Liberi may use a version of it, but I know less about the Italian style).

Kron, or Corona as we call it, is probably one of my favourite guards. That, and Finestra. I find them so easy to transition into usefully. Hardly obscure! Want something oscure? How about Posta di Falcone from Vadi? lol

Lol well as I said, I don't know the Italian style very well. Kron is an obscure guard in the German style if you aren't reading Meyer or Mair. Finestra I get though, the window (or a variant) is used in Lichtenauer at the bind.

I've read through a Vadi translation but I don't know what to make of him- is he a successor to Fiore or something different? He seems quite thrust-oriented.

Unfortunately I'm not incredibly familiar with Vadi, but have been shown a few things. My Fiore instructor basically made me aware of the existence of Falcon guard, then told me that it could be safely ignored as no one ever uses it.

Vadi omits a lot of stuff that Fiore uses, and it strange that a lot of places teach "Fiore's works + Falcone" without any of Vadi's other stuff. So it seems like Vadi is based off a lot of Fiore's early works. However you also have to remember that we don't have all of Vadi's documents, like we don't have all of the German/Bolognese manuscripts, just parts of several overall systems. Whereas with Fiore's works, we have his entire collection of publications (although some of the only surviving ones were copies that has been transcribed into German). Uh, anyways, now I'm rambling... I just meant to say that we really know what Fiore's "deal" was, and it can be tempting to say that Vadi just follows from his works, but we really don't know what else he could have written.

If it is a handle with the blade ticking out of the front im fine with it. I didnt even mind Mauls double ended one except that i thought the blades should have been half the length with the rest being extended handle. still just as effective in the right hands and considerably safer. But i will never be convinced that light blades at right angles to the grip are a good idea. Even though one of my favourite weapons is the Zaghnal

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Sounds about right.

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Flails are of questionable historical combat use and/or efficacy.

Just sayin'.

Yeah i agree, now a warhammer on the other hand...

Yeah i agree, now a warhammer on the other hand...

Indeed! From what I understand, the mallet and the hatchet showed up most often in combat, outnumbering the sword depending on the time period.

I also understand that the mullet showed up often in combat, but that was just the vikings.

Yeah i agree, now a warhammer on the other hand...

Indeed! From what I understand, the mallet and the hatchet showed up most often in combat, outnumbering the sword depending on the time period.

I also understand that the mullet showed up often in combat, but that was just the vikings.

Are we completely sure it wasn't the amazons?