Well I have a sincere dislike for that era anyway. Five thousand years and zero technological advancement, in addition to the fact that nothing in SWToR looked original in the slightest, I couldn't bear it.

EDIT: Mind you, I adore KOTOR and KOTOR II even, I just hate hate hate hate HATE that the tech is the EXACT SAME.

WHen you have all the advanced tech you need, things stagnate, and even reverse.. this is what Star Wars shows us.. besides, it's just a story, the authors create it and keep it present with it's tech and story lines. Star Wars is already light years ahead of us, I would imagine a society stagnating from time to time.. though.. they do seem to do it for .. SRSLY looooooong periods of time.. lol

Here is my two cents on the Satele Shan thing. She is not deflecting or shielding herself fro the light saber. She is absorbing the energy. It is a very uncommon force power, but one that has shown up in 3 other characters in the universe. First one, Vader. He doesn't deflect Han's blaster bolts, they dissappear(though they do make a "splash" as they hit his glove, and it was retconned to be this power after the fact). The second time it pops up is in the book I, Jedi. When Corran is given the memory of his true father's(grandfather?) death by that Camasi guy, he sees his father pull the dark jedi' saber into himself and hold it until the cell goes completely dead. Granted, he died afterwards. The third is Corran himself. I am not motivated enough to look up exactly which book it is, but in one of the "Fate of the Jedi" books he grabs a Sith's saber by the blade or some craziness...yeah, it's kind of a stupid power, but it has precedents.

One thing you can do with the crossguards on a rapier are to grapple an enemies blade, by applying torque and capturing a blade between the blade and crossguards you can apply enough force to pull a sword out of someone's hands - especially if they're not ready for the grapple.

I'd imagine that the crossguard lightsaber blades could be used to grab an enemy lightsaber, Something you normally couldn't do as touching the enemy lightsaber would be a bad idea.

Trying to disarm jedi is generally a losing tactic.

"Oops dropped my lightsaber. Better call it back and maybe have it slice the **** out of whatever happens to be in the way..."

You know how Jedi and Sith always cross blades and sneer a few comments at each other? What if this guy catches the enemy's blade on his crossguard and they are looking face to face.....and then he twists his handle. Those crossguards can hit someone unexpectidly.

Bro, we heard you liked Light Sabers on your Light Sabers....

Try this on for size!

SWTOR has fighters that are faster than TIE Defenders(the OP ones from tie fighter, not the - what do you mean no standard boost action from x-wing), but you know what? I love it.

I like that back 4000 years ago the jedi were above superbadass, to the point that the current Jedi are like - nothing compared to them. The Jedi 4000 years ago were weak compared to the Jedi 10000 years ago. Yeah, Satele had the energy diffusion skill from the SW RPG - she could block a lightsabre with the palm of her hand. That is badass but clearly required ALL the focus. Darth Vader in hindsight could have done the same thing but when whacked with a laser beam wasn't quite as ready for it.

Tech does stagnate and change, hyperdrives kept getting better and better and better - and maybe they needed to sacrifice some sublight speed for that. Weapons kept improving incrementally, lightsabres DEFINITELY improved from protosabres.

I just want to add that it's not impossible that that's Revan with the broadsabre, and that is wonderful.

My biggest beef with the trailer is seeing TIE Fighters. They were being phased out by ROTJ by Tie Interceptors, and given how much Tie Defenders get mentioned in novels set later...

As stated somewhere else, the hull doesn't matter that much for space ships, and internal systems/avionics matters far more. Still I'd have hoped for more Tie Interceptors/advanced/that sweet TIE Reaper design rather than the humble TIE Fighter.

My biggest beef with the trailer is seeing TIE Fighters. They were being phased out by ROTJ by Tie Interceptors, and given how much Tie Defenders get mentioned in novels set later...

As stated somewhere else, the hull doesn't matter that much for space ships, and internal systems/avionics matters far more. Still I'd have hoped for more Tie Interceptors/advanced/that sweet TIE Reaper design rather than the humble TIE Fighter.

Yeah but if we were going by that metric, we'd have E-wings instead of X-wings...

I would like people to get over how what they wanted to see ain't there.

It is an 88 second announcement, not even a preview trailer.

SAMF'ers.

"Being phased out" of a huge galactic Empire can take a while. The battle of Endor was with the Emperor's elite stuff. All the new toys were there. There is a huge rest of the empire to replace a lot of Tie Fighters.....

The US Govt still uses Warthogs even though they are obsolete. They aren't nearly as huge as the Empire.

As said in another thread, from about 41 onwards most luftwaffe aircraft were obsolete as their 'empire' was critically low on resources like aluminium, copper, rubber etc and any design not 'proven' or able to be in service within around a year was suspended.

When Adolph Galland was asked what he needed to win the air war in WWII he said 'a squadron of spitfires', They were using me109s not because they were particularly good but because they had the tooling processes able to make them. Lots of much better, faster and more durable designs had been submitted but rejected as it might takes years for them to be developed, tested and made and the germans didnt know how long they could carry on the war for.

They *could* have had me262 jet fighters in service years before 44 but the project had been shelved to conserve time, labour and resources for existing designs.

I can totaly believe the 'remnants' of the empire are using old mothballed stuff because they just dont have the resources to churn out new stuff.

In the 'crimson empire' comics the remnants are using clone war era stuff and pre TIE designs like the nimbus because they are on the ropes.

Remeber that the Empire is run by bureaucrats. I can totally see a group of them denying the local military commander upgrades with comments like, "There is still depreciation left on those regular Tie Fighters and I can't approve this spending request for new ones for another 2.5 years."

I suppose that's true enough, and again avionics improvements etc - those TIE Fighters probably outperform the TIE Fighters from ANH by 33%

As said in another thread, from about 41 onwards most luftwaffe aircraft were obsolete as their 'empire' was critically low on resources like aluminium, copper, rubber etc and any design not 'proven' or able to be in service within around a year was suspended.

When Adolph Galland was asked what he needed to win the air war in WWII he said 'a squadron of spitfires', They were using me109s not because they were particularly good but because they had the tooling processes able to make them. Lots of much better, faster and more durable designs had been submitted but rejected as it might takes years for them to be developed, tested and made and the germans didnt know how long they could carry on the war for.

They *could* have had me262 jet fighters in service years before 44 but the project had been shelved to conserve time, labour and resources for existing designs.

I can totaly believe the 'remnants' of the empire are using old mothballed stuff because they just dont have the resources to churn out new stuff.

In the 'crimson empire' comics the remnants are using clone war era stuff and pre TIE designs like the nimbus because they are on the ropes.

Nailed it!

I'm wanting to run an RPG/gaming group set imperial after endor - so definitely taking this all in. If one of my guys loses a modified shielded tie interceptor I might just give him an LN... Stormtrooper transport gone? welp we have this old TIE Boarding craft.

and yes. we'd be buying used Y-wings...

Then again SWToR

Why do people insist on screwing up a title like that? It's Star Wars: The Old Republic. Why do so many people think the o is lowercase? Just because WoW did it? Which is the proper btw, as "of" would be lowercase in a title.

Old on the other hand is a adjective and as such should be capitalized.

My biggest beef with the trailer is seeing TIE Fighters. They were being phased out by ROTJ by Tie Interceptors, and given how much Tie Defenders get mentioned in novels set later...

There were still oodles of mass-produced TIE fighters. When the Empire lost, production on the newer TIEs probably ceased, leaving all the old ones in hangars waiting to be used by Imps who were still hoping for a comeback.

You know, like how you see old Hondas everywhere, but zero DeLoreans.

Also, you can't rely 100% on the lore from novels and EU things anymore, because Disney. Defenders and such might exist, but not under the same circumstances.

Saber resistant fingerless gloves

Year that never sat well with me, a blaster bolt is one thing it dissipates quickly but stopping an energy blade as hot the surface e of some suns...

Yeah, it was f*ckin' stupid. I get that she's blocking the saber with the force but that is f*cking stupid and every Jedi would do that if they could but obviously they can't.

Then again SWToR is f*cking stupid.

It was fairly established in the EU, particularly Corran Horn and his relatives, that his family was strong with Force Absorb, and that different jedi had different strengths

A relative of Corran's absorbed all of the power from a Lightsaber and unleashed it on a sith (or something)

He just screwed up by waiting until it was stabbing him and he died... but the ability is there.

You know.. Corran Horn... guy in this game.

Stop Hating

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Well I have a sincere dislike for that era anyway. Five thousand years and zero technological advancement, in addition to the fact that nothing in SWToR looked original in the slightest, I couldn't bear it.

EDIT: Mind you, I adore KOTOR and KOTOR II even, I just hate hate hate hate HATE that the tech is the EXACT SAME.

The thing with SW is that its not like ST. They normally dont go out of there way to talk about the capabilities of things and compare them to other things.

SW tech does have slow evolution points in time BUT they are always advancing in most fields of tech.

Just a short compare between ships of diffrent eras.

*During Naga Sadows time the most powerful weapon found on cap ships were Heavy LASERs.

*During the SWT"o"R era the most powerful energy beam weapons found on the Cap ships were Med Turbos while Super Heavy Rockets and Torps were the biggest weapons found on cap ships.

*During the Republic era Super LASERs were created as was Composite Turbo LASERs and Composite Super LASERs. The biggest weapons found on cap ships, Star Destroyers more offten than not, was what can only be described as Super Heavy Turbo LASERs. Also the SEPs made a Super Ion cannon.

*During the GCW the first Space Station and Cap ships armed with Super Composite LASERs were used. What can only be described as the first Heavy Super Composite LASER was designed and used. Other terrible super weapons were designed by the Empire including a Super Particle Beam cannon that could also destroy planets.

*During the Dark Empire - Beginning of Fel dynasty era Super LASERs are becoming a common weapons loadout for next gen IMP SD. NEW REP refuses to use such weapons because of the moral issues of having such a weapon. Super Weapons such as the Galaxy Gun are designed and built. World Destroyers are finished being built and are used.

This all is just small examples showing the advancement of SW tech. As always Scaners, targeting computers, ecm equipment, eccm equipment, aviaonics, weapons, componet production techniques, endurance of componets, and powerplanets (endurance and output) were constantly getting better.

Ps I dont care much for the SWT"o"R ether. I like the dark times onward.

SWTOR has fighters that are faster than TIE Defenders(the OP ones from tie fighter, not the - what do you mean no standard boost action from x-wing), but you know what? I love it.

I like that back 4000 years ago the jedi were above superbadass, to the point that the current Jedi are like - nothing compared to them. The Jedi 4000 years ago were weak compared to the Jedi 10000 years ago. Yeah, Satele had the energy diffusion skill from the SW RPG - she could block a lightsabre with the palm of her hand. That is badass but clearly required ALL the focus. Darth Vader in hindsight could have done the same thing but when whacked with a laser beam wasn't quite as ready for it.

Tech does stagnate and change, hyperdrives kept getting better and better and better - and maybe they needed to sacrifice some sublight speed for that. Weapons kept improving incrementally, lightsabres DEFINITELY improved from protosabres.

I just want to add that it's not impossible that that's Revan with the broadsabre, and that is wonderful.

My biggest beef with the trailer is seeing TIE Fighters. They were being phased out by ROTJ by Tie Interceptors, and given how much Tie Defenders get mentioned in novels set later...

As stated somewhere else, the hull doesn't matter that much for space ships, and internal systems/avionics matters far more. Still I'd have hoped for more Tie Interceptors/advanced/that sweet TIE Reaper design rather than the humble TIE Fighter.

Your talking about the AUREK tactical Strikefighter aka old Rebublic A-Wing? During the SWT"o"R era they ether didnt have the technology to shape there shield to have a near perfect too perfect aerodynamic body or it was limited and the best they got out of the oREP A-Wing was over mach 1 in atmo.

With the shields off the TIE Defender can be outrun by the oREP A-Wing. With shield on and on a world were no one cares if its destroyed by a hyper projectile zipping through the atmo, a TIE Defender can reach around like mach 200 maybe a littile less. If the forward shield fail YOU DIE.

As for force abilities over the years used by Jedi I would have to say that from ROTJ on was the most epic for Jedi as a whole. In the old Republic they had amazing force abilities and used Super Natural Light Sabres.

Compare the Most powerful Jedi of the SWT"o"R era to the most powerful of the Republic era you find that the REP era one to be more powerful BUT as a whole because of the revision of the Jedi Order, most Jedi were only allowed to learn the basic of using the force, Supernatural Lightsabres were forbiden. What did get better overall between the two eras was the devlopment of skills with using a lightsabre as well as force lightsabre powers, not imbue powers. If the top swordsmen from the SWT"o"R era fought the top swordsmen of the REP era AND they all had zero connection too the force the REP era Jedi would ussually win.

During Lukes time the had the best of both eras and they continued make new force abilities and new kinds of Supernatural lightsabre crystals.

The Sith on the other hand for the most part kept getting better. The most powerful Sith were Vader and Sidious. After there defeat the Sith were never as powerful as they were during The Rebel era.

As for the TIEs we saw they may not be old LNs that are modded but brand new Super TIEs. The TIEs in ROTJ would be custom moded TIE/LN Fighters while in EP7 they could be SUPER TIE/LN Ds.

Remeber that the Empire is run by bureaucrats. I can totally see a group of them denying the local military commander upgrades with comments like, "There is still depreciation left on those regular Tie Fighters and I can't approve this spending request for new ones for another 2.5 years."

I thought it was run by the Emperor or Grand Admirals or Grand Moff and there corps are nationalized.

Emperor: I want a 2nd Death Star...

Bureacrat: my Lord, we already built one normal sized one, two smaller Super LASER only space stations are being built at home zero right now. I suggest we wait 10 years before even discussing building a 2nd Death Star just like the one the Rebels just destroyed. We need to allow the reserves for the IMP Engineering core to build up.

Emperor: No the 2nd Death Star wont be just like the first Death Star... IT WILL BE EVEN BIGGER, MORE POWERFUL, MORE WEAPONS, NO WEAKNESSES. I think this one should have a Pizza hut too, maybe jadeite tiled floors that are heated... You ever walk barefoot on heated jadeite tiles? Its bliss.

Bureacrat: @_@ Lord I cant approve of a expensive project such as this.

Emperor: What?

Bureacrat: I... dont... approve... @_@

Emperor: Oh I see, YOU dont approve my request, rather I should say, COMMAND to build the Super Grove Chick Magnet anti-mother****** ball 2000?

Bureacrat: I thought it was the 2nd Death Star...?!

Emperor: And it will have lots of Pink lemonade fountains at every intersection!

Bureacrat: PINK LEMONADE AT EVERY INTERSECTION?!

Emperor: I want ever chair on my SGCMAB 2000 custom made by Lazy Boy with the finest leather.

Bureacrat: EVERY CHAIR A CUSTOM LEATHER LAZY BOY!?

Emperor: I want every toilet made of black marble with built in *** foutains!

Bureacrat: *** FOUTAINS?!

Emperor: I want a special legion of human women storm troopers picked from only the best super models in the galaxy, they wont wear helmets, they will have fish net body gloves and see through armor.

Bureacrat: AHHHH ITS A LAWSUITE WAITING TO HAPPEN, MUST NOT HAVE PANIC ATTACK.... NOW! (choking sounds) money... SLIPING AWAY!.

Emperor: stop YOUR WHINNING! IM THE EMPEROR OF THE FREAKING UNIVERSE I WANT SEXY MODEL TROOPERS ON MY SCGMAB 2000!

Bureacrat: But but where? Money?

Emperor: (gets out of chair runs up to Burecrat) You WORRIED ABOUT THE FUNDING!? HAHAHA LETS MAKE A FEW CUTS!!! (Whips out lightsabre and turns it on with the end of the blade half a inch from the Burecrats neck)

Bureacrat: (VIOLENTLY CRYING) IM JUST DOING MY JOOOOOOBBAHHHHHHHH!!!

Emperor: YOUR JOB IS TO DO WHAT I TELL YOU, WHEN I TELL, YOU HOW I TELL YOU!! WHEN I SAY JUMP, YOU SAY?!

Bureacrat: Sniff Sniff, How HIG (interupted by Emperor)

Emperor: WRONG WRONG WRONG YOU GREASE LITTILE ******! I DIDNT GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO TALK!

Bureacrat: (Falls to the ground crying)

Emperor: ... Simon says get up.

Bureacrat: ... what?

Emperor: SIMON SAYS GET UP!

Bureacrat: (gets up) Yes my Emperor

Emperor: (Gets in the Burecrats face) FOOL SIMON IS NOT YOUR EMPEROR, I DARTH SIDIOUS AM YOUR EMPEROR!!! YOU HAVE COMMITED TREASON BY TAKING ORDERS FROM A FALSE EMPEROR!

Bureacrat: NO I DIDNT I SWEARS IT! (Cries even more)

Emperor: ARE YOU DICTATING TO ME WHAT LAWS YOU BROKE? YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES HOW MY EMPIRES LAWS WORK!? HAW!? GO FOR THE LIGHTSABRE!!! (deactivates blade and puts the hilt near the Bureacrats chest.)

Bureacrat: No NO I DONT WANNA DO THAT!

Emperor: GO FOR THE LIGHTSABRE!!!

Bureacrat: NO! (Cries more than ever!)

Emperor: THEN GET OUT OF MY THRONEROOM AND GET MY AWESOME SPACE BUILT NOW!

Bureacrat: (In shock and not moving) Ooook (cries some more)

Emperor: Oh... maybe I was a bit hard on you. Come here. (Emperor grabs the Burecrat and hugs him while rubing his shoulder blades.)

Bureacrat: (Thinks to himself) (WTH OMG IM GOING TO DIE... He smells like Kmart and Fish Gravy)

Emperor: (while still holding the Bureacrat) We oh pe oh we oh oh boom boom chickey chickey chalka choo choo WEEEOHHHH! Every time Lord Vader is stressed out and screaming, I give him a hug and say those words, he always stays still and is quiet after words.

Bureacrat: @_@ IM sure Vader is quiet after you do that... I must leave... Got a workers to build and a space station to hire. (Runs away)

Emperor: (Quietly laughs to himself as he walks to his throne) And now everthing is going to plane, soon I shall have you, my... precious.

I suppose that's true enough, and again avionics improvements etc - those TIE Fighters probably outperform the TIE Fighters from ANH by 33%

Since we never got to see what a Star Hunter TIE Interceptor looked like I hope they make a apperance in ep VII. Techically any new upgraded TIE Interceptor that could show up in this movie could count as the Star Hunter TIE Interceptor.

I'm wanting to run an RPG/gaming group set imperial after endor - so definitely taking this all in. If one of my guys loses a modified shielded tie interceptor I might just give him an LN... Stormtrooper transport gone? welp we have this old TIE Boarding craft.

and yes. we'd be buying used Y-wings...

You dont "have to makem buy BTL-A4s or BTL-S3s because the Empire uses a small amount of them.

Also, you can't rely 100% on the lore from novels and EU things anymore, because Disney. Defenders and such might exist, but not under the same circumstances.

Not true. They exist until they don't exist. In other words, all EU is in place....unless it contradicts something they put out in the future. So, the EU is perfectly intact right now. We shall see how it stands after Ep 7.

@Black Knight Leader: That's funny. I like it. I think when dealing with the Emperor, you got one thing. When dealing with some Col. of a planetary defense force talking to a Moff, then that's another thing. Also, once the Emperor was killed, you probably saw more budget issues and supply problems.

IT LOOKS COOL!

And I think the blade is so powerful and unstable that those are just exhaust ports...exhaust ports that can also be used to kill or mangle...but exhaust ports none the less.

3. God **** is that design sexy (I'm assuming here that the emitters for the crossguard are protected in some way from just being lopped off by the guy we're trying to block)

There are several different kinds of metal in the Star Wars universe that can withstand a lightsaber.

Important Point: Normies don't know this.

A big part of Star Wars' success was making "sci-fi" (Oh, please God, let there be no crossover Trekkies who are going to take me to task over this.) accessible to the large swell of the bell curve who could never get into it.

He's the Nazgul of the Sith.

Or the Voldemort of the Force.

Maybe something from Game of Thrones too.

Now i have an immage of Palpatine sitting on a throne of lightsabers...

3. God **** is that design sexy (I'm assuming here that the emitters for the crossguard are protected in some way from just being lopped off by the guy we're trying to block)

There are several different kinds of metal in the Star Wars universe that can withstand a lightsaber.

Important Point: Normies don't know this.

A big part of Star Wars' success was making "sci-fi" (Oh, please God, let there be no crossover Trekkies who are going to take me to task over this.) accessible to the large swell of the bell curve who could never get into it.

what do you mean cross overs.. I started with Star Trek... Star Wars just added to the awesome world of Sci Fi.. and battlestar Galactica as well.. how about Logan's Run.. Forbidden Planet.. I could go on, but I'll just say this.. Sci Fi was alive and well before Lucas came along, and it thrives today even though there is a void of Star Wars movies..

The TIEs in the OT are TIE/ln. They actually are improved versions of two earlier makes of TIE fighter.

(or so the essential guide to vehicles and vessels says)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk9hd950-9I