George Lucas was put into a straight jacket and ball gag, and locked into a dark padded cell before pre-production even started. If only this had happened prior to TPM.

I thought you were going to say that there will be new ships in the film that can be adapted into the X-Wing game.

But I'm happy about your post too...

Or the fact that it's a new star wars film.

Or the fact that it's a new star wars film.

The prequels demonstrated that just because it's a new star wars film you have no reason to be optimistic.

Or the fact that it's a new star wars film.

The prequels demonstrated that just because it's a new star wars film you have no reason to be optimistic.

But I enjoy those.

Or the fact that it's a new star wars film.

The prequels demonstrated that just because it's a new star wars film you have no reason to be optimistic.

But I enjoy those.

I enjoy them to but not in the same way as the OT

Or the fact that it's a new star wars film.

The prequels demonstrated that just because it's a new star wars film you have no reason to be optimistic.

But I enjoy those.

I enjoy them to but not in the same way as the OT

Well yeah, that's because they're fairly different films.

I don't get the whole "lucas is bad for star wars" thing some people have. HE CREATED STAR WARS!!! That's like saying Tolkien is bad for lord of the rings, Rowling is bad for Harry Potter, etc.

You can not like certain aspects, but to act like others know how to do star wars better than the creator makes no sense to me. Maybe that's the type of star wars you prefer, but it's not the definitive version.

I don't get the whole "lucas is bad for star wars" thing some people have. HE CREATED STAR WARS!!! That's like saying Tolkien is bad for lord of the rings, Rowling is bad for Harry Potter, etc.

You can not like certain aspects, but to act like others know how to do star wars better than the creator makes no sense to me. Maybe that's the type of star wars you prefer, but it's not the definitive version.

Tolkien didn't go on to create a trilogy of extensions for LotR that had comparatively awful dialogue, though. And Rowling just made HP up as she went, which puts her firmly in the Lucas category (personally I'd say HP was mediocre from the start but that's just me).

And honestly, Abrams may turn out to be worse than Lucas in some regards. I get a wierd feeling that the new trilogy will have the same quality swing as the OT did, with VIII being the best (I'd rate Rian Johnson over Abrams any day of the week, just for The Brothers Bloom).

While I hope that the new film is an improvement on the prequel trilogy, the last two Star Trek movies JJ Abrams directed don't fill me with too much optimism. Time will tell.

I don't get the whole "lucas is bad for star wars" thing some people have. HE CREATED STAR WARS!!! That's like saying Tolkien is bad for lord of the rings, Rowling is bad for Harry Potter, etc.

You can not like certain aspects, but to act like others know how to do star wars better than the creator makes no sense to me. Maybe that's the type of star wars you prefer, but it's not the definitive version.

Tolkien didn't go on to create a trilogy of extensions for LotR that had comparatively awful dialogue, though. And Rowling just made HP up as she went, which puts her firmly in the Lucas category (personally I'd say HP was mediocre from the start but that's just me).

And honestly, Abrams may turn out to be worse than Lucas in some regards. I get a wierd feeling that the new trilogy will have the same quality swing as the OT did, with VIII being the best (I'd rate Rian Johnson over Abrams any day of the week, just for The Brothers Bloom).

Quality swing? Dude. Implying IV isn't as good as V is cray-cray.

I don't get the whole "lucas is bad for star wars" thing some people have. HE CREATED STAR WARS!!! That's like saying Tolkien is bad for lord of the rings, Rowling is bad for Harry Potter, etc.

I don't get the whole "lucas is bad for star wars" thing some people have. HE CREATED STAR WARS!!! That's like saying Tolkien is bad for lord of the rings, Rowling is bad for Harry Potter, etc.

You can not like certain aspects, but to act like others know how to do star wars better than the creator makes no sense to me. Maybe that's the type of star wars you prefer, but it's not the definitive version.

Tolkien didn't go on to create a trilogy of extensions for LotR that had comparatively awful dialogue, though. And Rowling just made HP up as she went, which puts her firmly in the Lucas category (personally I'd say HP was mediocre from the start but that's just me).

And honestly, Abrams may turn out to be worse than Lucas in some regards. I get a wierd feeling that the new trilogy will have the same quality swing as the OT did, with VIII being the best (I'd rate Rian Johnson over Abrams any day of the week, just for The Brothers Bloom).

Quality swing? Dude. Implying IV isn't as good as V is cray-cray.

I just watched the original versions back to back, there's a definite quality to the dialogue that V has and IV doesn't. Not to imply that IV's bad, and I expect the new trilogy to have a far more noticeable swing anyway.

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Ohh. I see what you mean.

Lucas created a great universe but the less he is involved with dialogue and directing etc the better the movie(s) will be the prequels demonstrated that in spades vs something like TESB

I don't get the whole "lucas is bad for star wars" thing some people have. HE CREATED STAR WARS!!! That's like saying Tolkien is bad for lord of the rings, Rowling is bad for Harry Potter, etc.

You can not like certain aspects, but to act like others know how to do star wars better than the creator makes no sense to me. Maybe that's the type of star wars you prefer, but it's not the definitive version.

Tolkien didn't go on to create a trilogy of extensions for LotR that had comparatively awful dialogue, though. And Rowling just made HP up as she went, which puts her firmly in the Lucas category (personally I'd say HP was mediocre from the start but that's just me).

And honestly, Abrams may turn out to be worse than Lucas in some regards. I get a wierd feeling that the new trilogy will have the same quality swing as the OT did, with VIII being the best (I'd rate Rian Johnson over Abrams any day of the week, just for The Brothers Bloom).

Quality swing? Dude. Implying IV isn't as good as V is cray-cray.

A New Hope Rotten Tomatoes: 93%

The Empire Strikes Back Rotten Tomatoes: 96%

I will fight you on this. Empire is perfect.

IMDB top 250. Empire Ranked Higher.

are you sh*tting me

i literally said ESB was better than ANH.

I don't get the whole "lucas is bad for star wars" thing some people have. HE CREATED STAR WARS!!! That's like saying Tolkien is bad for lord of the rings, Rowling is bad for Harry Potter, etc.

You can not like certain aspects, but to act like others know how to do star wars better than the creator makes no sense to me. Maybe that's the type of star wars you prefer, but it's not the definitive version.

The difference is that movies are much more collaborative works than books. Even writers/directors that have extremely thorough creative control still don't design costumes, or paint backgrounds, or write the score, or make models, or deliver dialogue, or the hundred other creative skills that go into making movies.

If Star Wars was just a script, I would accept that Lucas is as much Star Wars' creator as Tolkien or Rowling is the creator of their works. But because Star Wars is more than a script - it is a set of films - Lucas was not the creator. He was the visionary and a great number of talented people created something great from that vision.

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I loved both Star Trek films, and simply don't get why anyone would criticize them. I have a good friend who "likes" them but loves to be overly critical of every little detail.... I mean he literally comments on everyone's quality of facial "shave" - IE he'll count it against the film because one actor didn't have that close of a shave, or Zachary Quinto's 5 oclock shadow... I just think some folks set expectations way too high.

I didn't mind the prequels. In fact I liked them. There were obviously some issues, like Jar Jar, midicloriens, pod racing, and Anakin's too-fast conversion to the dark side... but the movies were still good. You shouldn't expect it to be a "Masterpiece"... I mean look at episode 4... it had so many flaws it's crazy! Fact is - no new film is ever going to provide the nostalgia that the films of your youth did.

Basically as long as the new films are better than the prequels I'll be happy. So its a pretty low bar to step over.

The trailer for The Force Awakens (clocking in at what? a minute?) is already better than the entire 90+ minutes of The Phantom Menace. So I'm cautiously optimistic.

It'd be great if we could keep the dialogue focused on the new films and set the prequel-bashing to rest for a bit. I don't know, 15 years of nonstop people telling me that something I enjoyed is stupid... yeah. Dead horse. Any time now, guys.

Also, people didn't like J.J. Abram's Star Treks because they were straightforward epic action movies with laser fights, over the top dialogue and full of people shouting and running down corridors (which some people don't consider to be very much in keeping with Gene Rodenberry's vision)...

...Star Wars has always been straightforward epic action movies with laser fights, over the top dialogue and full of people shouting and running down corridors. I think he's suited to the task.

JJ Abrams, who made some super fun Star Trek films, is doing it. I mean, he's no Michael Bay, but the guy can make some quality film all the same.

That's the only reason? Huh, I thought I had made more distinctions than that.