I don't know why but this particular thing bugs me. Obi - Wan Kenobi in Empire Strikes Back claims that Yoda Trained him. But In Episode 1 Obi - Wan Kenobis Teacher is Qui- Gon Jinn Qui-Gon Jinn
Which is it?
Edited by TirisilexI don't know why but this particular thing bugs me. Obi - Wan Kenobi in Empire Strikes Back claims that Yoda Trained him. But In Episode 1 Obi - Wan Kenobis Teacher is Qui- Gon Jinn Qui-Gon Jinn
Which is it?
Edited by TirisilexIt's both. We see that Yoda trains them up to a certain age, at which point they're ready to be considered for apprenticeship.
No, it doesn't make sense that someone who was essentially raised within the Order would be angry, the way that Kenobi describes himself, but them's the breaks.
It is called bad writing and bad editing. Call it a "Galaxy Quest" moment, and "move along, move along".
They explain this in the movie Ep 1...Qui-Gon tells Obi Wan to be mindful of the movement or something in the future, and OB1 says that Yoda told him to be mindful of the force & QG says but not at the expense of the moment. But there is a scene in the movie that addresses this.
Anakin turns to Yoda for advice and isnt Yodas Student.. I dont see how " that Yoda told him to be mindful of the force " I explains it... Many a Jedi has asked Yodas wisdom it doesnt make them a full fledged student of Yoda.
I'm just saying that the post previous is correct in that Yoda is the Master for the younglings, but when you become a Padawan you have a New master that is 1 on 1 until Knighthood.
Also you can argue that OB1 saying that Yoda was his master was a designed ploy to get Luke to Daegoba, and take Yoda seriously. Remember it's just a movie!!! </sarcasm>
This is a classic example of non-contradiction.
Statement 1: Yoda taught Obi-Wan.
Statement 2: Qui-Gon taught Obi-Wan.
Is this a contradiction? Obi-Wan never said that Yoda was his only teacher; therefore, since both statements can be true, there is no contradiction. You can argue towards speculation, but the OP is assuming a contradiction where there is none.
Also for consideration:
1) Yoda was alive when Obi-Wan spoke to Luke. Qui-Gon was not, and therefore not important to the equation.
2) Call it bad movie writing or whatever, but there are completely reasonable and logical in-universe explanations as to why Obi-Wan could have had more than one Jedi master teaching him and why he wouldn't have mentioned Qui-Gon to Luke.
3) Anakin didn't grow up in the temple as a youngling, which was why Yoda never taught him personally.
And everyone is forgetting...
At the end of E3 Yoda says he has training for Obiwan. Obiwan practically sputters "t-t-training?!" like a "WTF I thought I was a Jedi Master?" The training was how to commune with Qui Gon, which makes more sense if you've seen the TCW season 6 final arc. So Yoda is very much "the Jedi Master who instructed me"...
Also, Obi Wan is the king of "...from a certain point of view" so... <- snark vs. Obi Wan! But also what everyone else said!^
And everyone is forgetting...
At the end of E3 Yoda says he has training for Obiwan. Obiwan practically sputters "t-t-training?!" like a "WTF I thought I was a Jedi Master?" The training was how to commune with Qui Gon, which makes more sense if you've seen the TCW season 6 final arc. So Yoda is very much "the Jedi Master who instructed me"...
Yes this is true!
He does something big here, too: benefiting from the perspective of the prequels, we see that Obi-Wan doesn't bring Qui-Gon into the mix like, "Well my master told me to do it, so it's kinda his fault." He simply says, "I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi." He owns his mistakes.
Obi-Wan definitely has his shortcomings ("from a certain point of view," and [arguably] his disregard for droids), but he is pretty much the best example of a true Jedi that we have throughout the films and TCW: humble, kind, compassionate, brave, self-sacrificing, and wise.
But yes, Yoda did continue to teach him. Kinda bookended his training as a Jedi...from youngling to master
Edit: because I actually can read!
Edited by awayputurwpnYoda pretty much trained all Jedi at the time in some form. He was the guy anyone and everyone came to for advice, even after their formal training.
And everyone is forgetting...
At the end of E3 Yoda says he has training for Obiwan. Obiwan practically sputters "t-t-training?!" like a "WTF I thought I was a Jedi Master?" The training was how to commune with Qui Gon, which makes more sense if you've seen the TCW season 6 final arc. So Yoda is very much "the Jedi Master who instructed me"...
Good pont
Yeah, also Qui Gon is dead, so it's not like he can recommend training with him. What he said is true...from a certain point of view.
As has been said, the line is "
There you will learn from Yoda, the
Jedi Master who instructed me
."
A true statement, not all-encompassing and
on topic
.
Obi-Wan seems to be broadcasting poorly (Hoth is low on life and the Force may be weak) and Luke is terribly injured, not the best time to go into a back story that hadn't been written, yet.
Edited by Aluminium FalconAs already pointed here, Yoda teaches the basic philosophy, martial arts and force uses to younglings.
That is what Luke needed to learn, so Ben was correct: Yoda was the jedi master who instructed the basic to him.
The padawan stage (when he was with Qui-Gon) is more like a trainee job to gain experience and more advanced skills not to teach basic things.
ps.: sorry for any grammar mistake. very sleepy.
I find it very interesting that Yoda takes teaching younglings so seriously that he has to do it himself. Fits to his line in TESB about Luke being too old.
I think we could benefit a lot in real life from taking elementary education that seriously.
But we already know that everything Obi-Wan says is true, from a certain point of view.