So I was reading an article about "fixing" the x-wing. (Good article, worth the read)

It can be found here:

http://dockingbay416.com/parsing-the-x-wing/

And one idea brought up in the comments that would make for an awesome concept and game mechanic would be:

So the IG-2000 title gave me this idea. Not sure about what an appropriate cost would be.

Title: Rogue Leader

Unique. X-Wing only.

Friendly ships with the “Rogue Squadron” title also have your pilot ability.

Title: Rogue Squadron

X-Wing only. Generic Pilot Only.

You have the pilot ability of the friendly ship with the “Rogue Leader” title.

I picture a squad like this:

Wedge with Rogue Leader

Rookie with Rogue Squadron

Rookie with Rogue Squadron

Biggs

I actually brought a similar idea somewhere on here not too long ago. It would be cool if they released some sort of "Rogue Squadron Expansion Pack" and a "501st Legion Expansion Pack". Would be neat to see.

I wonder what you could do with two Biggses.

I wonder what you could do with two Biggses.

Biggs is a protection ship but he needs something to protect. A squadron of Biggs-like pilots would just give your opponent a specific order to focus fire down your ships.

I wonder what you could do with two Biggses.

So, hypothetically, what would happen if the two Biggs' were in R1 of each other? Would the attacker pick? The defender? Or...

I wonder what you could do with two Biggses.

Biggs is a protection ship but he needs something to protect. A squadron of Biggs-like pilots would just give your opponent a specific order to focus fire down your ships.

Not precisely. Multiple Biggses allow one player to choose which pilot ability takes precedence over the other, i.e. which ship cannot get attacked. I'm not certain which player gets to choose, attacker or defender.

As a big X-Wing fan and it being my favorite ship by far I can not do anything less than agree with OP.

Sounds like something that should have a minimum pilot skill, similar to the Royal Guard TIE title.

I expect we'll see a PS5-6 Rogue Squadron X-wing with EPT eventually, similar to the Interceptor's Royal Guard Pilot.

But that title idea is very cool and looks like it'd be really fun to play.

we should not buff the Xwing, but should instead nerf the others.

ever since the ships in question came out, I've always felt that the TIE needed a +1 to its cost, the Bwing should have 1 less shield, the bomber is too maneuverable, the Z95 needed a +1 to its cost and a -1 to its shields and a maneuver dial more similar to the Ywing's, and let's not get into the whole falcon phantom issue.

I'd like something like this:

Rogue Squadron

Title,2 points

"When attacking, you may reroll one attack die for each other friendly X-Wing at R1."

I want all of Rogue Squadron though, not a title

Gavin and Asyr especially

Corran and Tycho with new abilities in X-wings

I think the Rogue Leader should use a EPT. That way it forces you to actually use a heroic pilot. Plus it shows that the Leader is helping his wingmen instead of focusing on his own ship.

I think the Rogue Leader should use a EPT. That way it forces you to actually use a heroic pilot. Plus it shows that the Leader is helping his wingmen instead of focusing on his own ship.

I agree that it should be an EPT, but there is a droid that lets anyone have an EPT for 1 extra point. Limit the Rogue Leader EPT to PS 6+ and you'll be golden. This lets Wedge, Wes, Jek, Luke, and Garven use it, but Hobbie, Tarn, and (most importantly) Biggs can not

I could see these rouge titles being things, but they would have to be moderateley expensive.

I think the Rogue Leader should use a EPT. That way it forces you to actually use a heroic pilot. Plus it shows that the Leader is helping his wingmen instead of focusing on his own ship.

I agree that it should be an EPT, but there is a droid that lets anyone have an EPT for 1 extra point. Limit the Rogue Leader EPT to PS 6+ and you'll be golden. This lets Wedge, Wes, Jek, Luke, and Garven use it, but Hobbie, Tarn, and (most importantly) Biggs can not

I agree with this. If Rogue Leader were an EPT and the Rogue Squadron title require PS > 2 I think this would be really fun and help bring back the generics. I know a lot of people bemoaned how many generics were taken prior, but I kinda liked that there was a trade-off for taking a good/named pilot vs a cheap but capable generic. It kinda feels like we've now gone the other direction, where the named pilots are, in general, much more powerful.

Honestly, I think it'd be awesome if they did titles like this for all the notable squadrons and gave each their own flavor. Would make you pick between the "pure" ability of a squadron vs the flexibility/multiple roles of a mixed squad.

Another idea: Saber Squadron.

2pts? EPT - Leader - TIE INT Only. Pilot must have PS > 5. After you perform an action, you may target a friendly ship within Range 1-2. That ship gains an Evade token. If you do, you may perform a free Evade Action. Then, gain a stress token.

0pts Title - Squadron - TIE INT Only. Pilot must have PS > 2. Once per round, when attacking or defending you may re-roll a single blank die.

Idea is to make you want to fly them in loose formation by buffing their defense (which is what most ppl complain about with the INT - how easy they die). Obviously I had Soontir in mind with the Leader EPT and that he'd have to give up PtL. I let the reroll be on attack as well, since these are pilots which have to have 10 kills to get their stripes.

I want all of Rogue Squadron though, not a title

Gavin and Asyr especially

Corran and Tycho with new abilities in X-wings

I dont see this idea and getting more named pilots as being mutually exclusive.

I like the general concept of getting bonuses from using the same types of ships together, but the idea of sharing a ability could quick get OP depending on the cost. Can you imagine 4 x-wings all having Wedge's ability??? I suppose another way to counter it would be they lose that ability once wedge dies, but even then...

I like the general concept of getting bonuses from using the same types of ships together, but the idea of sharing a ability could quick get OP depending on the cost. Can you imagine 4 x-wings all having Wedge's ability??? I suppose another way to counter it would be they lose that ability once wedge dies, but even then...

You could just cost it so that you will only be able to get 2 extras. Rogue leader for 3 and Rogue Squadron for 1. You could only get 2 buddies. 32 for wedge and 24 for the two reds leaves you with only 20 points.

I like the general concept of getting bonuses from using the same types of ships together, but the idea of sharing a ability could quick get OP depending on the cost. Can you imagine 4 x-wings all having Wedge's ability??? I suppose another way to counter it would be they lose that ability once wedge dies, but even then...

I agree, but like I said I dig the idea of having Squadron-themed cards. It could even just be a new card type so that it didn't eat up the existing titles/EPT slots. Would give you more incentive to run mono-ship lists.

I just thought of something: Triple Porkins!

I wonder what you could do with two Biggses.

His pilot ability says "Other friendly ships at Range 1 cannot be targeted by attacks if the attacker could target you instead."

Therefore, if two Biggses are at Range 1 of each other, the player chooses which Biggs gets attacked. Infinity is averted, as the other Biggses cannot be targeted by attacks after the first ability is selected, at which point their pilot abilities cannot be procced because the attacker cannot target them.

A very puzzling fleet. The damage would theoretically be spread evenly throughout the fleet, meaning that all of the X-Wings make it into the end-game.

I wonder what you could do with two Biggses.

His pilot ability says "Other friendly ships at Range 1 cannot be targeted by attacks if the attacker could target you instead."

Therefore, if two Biggses are at Range 1 of each other, the player chooses which Biggs gets attacked. Infinity is averted, as the other Biggses cannot be targeted by attacks after the first ability is selected, at which point their pilot abilities cannot be procced because the attacker cannot target them.

A very puzzling fleet. The damage would theoretically be spread evenly throughout the fleet, meaning that all of the X-Wings make it into the end-game.

Or your opponent just maneuvers so that only one Biggs is in range at a time.

I like the general concept of getting bonuses from using the same types of ships together, but the idea of sharing a ability could quick get OP depending on the cost. Can you imagine 4 x-wings all having Wedge's ability??? I suppose another way to counter it would be they lose that ability once wedge dies, but even then...

That's exactly what happens. Once the Rogue Leader ship dies the Rogue Leader card is removed from play. Then the Rogue Squadron card does nothing.

I love so much of this thread. I would also like to see a Rogue Squadron Generic PS 6 with EPT like the RGP. A Title that duplicates a pilot ability at the cost of the EPT itself seems like it would be fun as only other ships with an EPT would be sharing pilot abilities (so no dual Biggs lists). Even having a PS restriction of Greater than PS 2 would be awesome to keep rookies from being "elite". While Rogue Squadron was not solely relying on the X-wing and we have multiple Rogues in other ships, it is the iconic ship related to them and it would be cool to have a third color scheme for the X-wing (kinda like the Interceptor).

I could ramble on for days about this. I friggin love X-wings and Rogue Squadron.