Tapes survived in the consumer environment until the late 80s. But one hard drives became cheaper floppies took over then CDs in the 90s and then DVD. I used to have a tape drive for my commodore 64 in the early 80s.

We were using tape backups well into the mid-2000s at a graphic design place I used to work at. Never underestimate the power of inertia!

I believe most nuclear weapons systems still use floppy discs...

Well that's me not sleeping tonight. Thanks!

Having had worked on the access control systems for Nuclear bases. I am not worried

I'm kind of worried that you'd tell that to random strangers on the internet...

I'm kind of worried that you'd tell that to random strangers on the internet...

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

There has to be access control so someone had to work on it, no? It wouldn't make me nervous until Daeglan reveals that he's actually a mutant otter or from another planet... or both. Then I'd be all like, "Why do we need mutant otters from outer space securing our nukes when an EotE playing human could do the heck out of that job!?!?"

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

There has to be access control so someone had to work on it, no? It wouldn't make me nervous until Daeglan reveals that he's actually a mutant otter or from another planet... or both. Then I'd be all like, "Why do we need mutant otters from outer space securing our nukes when an EotE playing human could do the heck out of that job!?!?"

Mutant otters from outer space? Bring on the Selonians!

I've considered having a network of manumitted droid scholars that are 'pen pals' and archive all manner of information from around the galaxy. They do operate as infochants and are backed by a variety of legitimate and illegitimate interests. Meeting up with them is about as close to Google as I want in my Star Wars, and most of their inexpensive and readily available information is on par with Wikipedia. Greater accuracy is possible, but it takes time and credits.

Tapes survived in the consumer environment until the late 80s. But one hard drives became cheaper floppies took over then CDs in the 90s and then DVD. I used to have a tape drive for my commodore 64 in the early 80s.

We were using tape backups well into the mid-2000s at a graphic design place I used to work at. Never underestimate the power of inertia!

Yeah! I still have tape backups of studio recording data. Linear storage ftw!

And don't forget to keep circulating the tapes!

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

There has to be access control so someone had to work on it, no? It wouldn't make me nervous until Daeglan reveals that he's actually a mutant otter or from another planet... or both. Then I'd be all like, "Why do we need mutant otters from outer space securing our nukes when an EotE playing human could do the heck out of that job!?!?"

Mutant otters from outer space? Bring on the Selonians!

Dude! Teenage Mutant Jedi Otters. Force & Destiny playgroup. With a Drall Jedi for a mentor. This could be a thing...

I'm kind of worried that you'd tell that to random strangers on the internet...

That is only because you don't know security systems. I do. they do not work like in the movies.

I'm kind of worried that you'd tell that to random strangers on the internet...

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

I don't have a security clearance. I was not on any base. I worked for a company that did those security systems. But knowing how those security systems work will not help you.

I'm kind of worried that you'd tell that to random strangers on the internet...

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

I don't have a security clearance. I was not on any base. I worked for a company that did those security systems. But knowing how those security systems work will not help you.

At 1 minute 53 seconds...THIS is how you hack a nuclear base!

That is only because you don't know security systems. I do. they do not work like in the movies.

I'm kind of worried that you'd tell that to random strangers on the internet...

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

I don't have a security clearance. I was not on any base. I worked for a company that did those security systems.

Oh great. Now there's a whole company of people who worked on nuclear weapons security systems that never required security clearance of their employees. I'm not going to sleep for a year!

But knowing how those security systems work will not help you.

Knowing how a security system works always helps break it. If nothing else, it tells you what approaches wont work and lets you focus on ones that might.

basically turning a tv show back into its script and then into an audio book right?

I'm not actually sure. They might use a script for reference but it's generally more narrative and includes more subtlety thsn scripts do. If you have many blu-ray movies, you're bound to have one that has it available so you can maybe watch a movie with your eyes closed to check it out.

Name a movie that has it, I'll go and get it to check out

Name a movie that has it, I'll go and get it to check out

Check here: http://www.acb.org/adp/dvds.html

I'm kind of worried that you'd tell that to random strangers on the internet...

That was exactly what I thought. I almost replied that now I would sleep even less well! I would have thought no-one with that level of security clearance would refer to their work ever.

I don't have a security clearance. I was not on any base. I worked for a company that did those security systems.

Oh great. Now there's a whole company of people who worked on nuclear weapons security systems that never required security clearance of their employees. I'm not going to sleep for a year!

But knowing how those security systems work will not help you.

Knowing how a security system works always helps break it. If nothing else, it tells you what approaches wont work and lets you focus on ones that might.

Problem is that security systems can't really be defeated with out knowing everything about a set up. And even then you really can't defeat them. Any interruption of power will set off the alarm no matter how short it is. Not knowing the exact voltage needed including how much wire and what its resistance is and the resistor in the line is. My knowledge will do you no good. As I know how the security system works. I do not know any of the specifics you would need to know to do anything with my knowledge. And even if you had that knowledge you are up against physics. So really my knowledge does you no good.

Name a movie that has it, I'll go and get it to check out

Check here: http://www.acb.org/adp/dvds.html

The star wars complete saga blue ray disks have it. I checked.

THAT'S the point of this thread. People playing EotE see security and computer hacking done on TV and in movies and try to bring that expectation into the game. The point isn't to discuss what is "realistic" (although I enjoy discussing it) or how IT technology works, but rather to discuss the limits of the Star Wars Universe and how what we are used to seeing does not apply in many circumstances. It also pertains to "Googling" up maps, locations, and information by speaking into a hand-held device. I appreciate the great points made by a majority of contributors thus far.

I learned all my computer hacking skills from Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock:

1. Tell the computer, "Compute to the last digit the value of pi."

2. Wait for the smoke to clear...

The star wars complete saga blue ray disks have it. I checked.

That's how I've watched the original trilogy since playing EotE. We had older versions with no DVS support but my dad got this one when we found out.

I learned all my computer hacking skills from Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock:

1. Tell the computer, "Compute to the last digit the value of pi."

2. Wait for the smoke to clear...

That is epic, did they actually do that in an episode? If not I want you to know I fell out of my chair laughing. Props to you.

Yeah though when they did that they weren't trying to destroy the computer in question they just needed to keep it busy for a while.

Usually when they wanted a computer dead they just pointed out an error it had made or that the computer's existence and actions were actually having an effect contrary to its purpose.

Yeah though when they did that they weren't trying to destroy the computer in question they just needed to keep it busy for a while.

Usually when they wanted a computer dead they just pointed out an error it had made or that the computer's existence and actions were actually having an effect contrary to its purpose.

They did that in one of the old Doctor Who episodes (Third Doctor era) by telling it the old "Xeno the Cretan says that Xeno the Cretan is a liar".

But the best treatment is on one of the Doctor Who audios by Big Finish where the Sixth Doctor is facing off against a near omniscient computer version - a kind of sentient Wikipedia and we get the following delightful exchange of dialogue:

Doctor: "I can ask you a question that you cannot answer."

Mentos: "Very well, ask it! But so long as it's not one of those silly fox the computer questions like if Peter always lies... or What is Love. Because I can answer those."

Doctor: "Ahh".

(the audio is The One Doctor for anyone who is interested)

Reference the use of Computers: I play the slicer astromech in our group, which is full of out-and-out murder hobo's. I get to use my Computer skill quite often tactically to shut down systems and control the environment to aid the others. I use it frequently for investigation as well. The GM gives me these opportunities and I take advantage of them. My character has an Intellect 5 and Computers 3 with some decent talents to make it work. He counters me by increasing difficulties, limiting what the system has access to, or preventing access in the first place. If there isn't an access panel, I can't get in. He has also booby trapped access panels, put viruses out there, and other things to make think twice about where I stick my dongle. I don't have a technical background, and too much realism would take the fun out being a slicer or make the system too complicated (shadowrun matrix is a beast!). If I try to hack things like in movies, it's all for fun since RPGs just like movies and TV are entertainment, not simulations of real life. The main rules as a player: don't abuse it and don't try to steal the spotlight too much.

Reference the availability of information: If it's not out there, it's not out there. Imagine if the Jedi Council did a background check on Senator Palpatine. "Gee, sir, it seems you have a significant gap in your employment history and there's also this matter of distrubing wire taps where you keep saying 'something, something, dark side.'"

Sorry for the length of post.

Why did no one try to establish some kind of rebel holonet to avoid the Empire's naughtiness?

Who is to say that there isn’t one? Maybe you don’t know of one, but it could be there and just really well hidden.

It’s not like the Rebels can’t afford to buy capital ships, which have holonet transceivers. They could easily build their own holonet on top of such equipment.