Just wondering because I was at a card shop today playing and someone was arguing the fact that Seong was terrible, but I never really looked at her card before, but it sparked my interested and I started to look up her decks and the top 8 decks of her and I dont see why she would be considered OP, or broken in anyway, but apparently there is a combo I'm missing? Besides the wimpy, defender, mega spike loop, what else is there really to her? and it would seem to me that wave is the only logical thing to run of her off, since order does not have much support for her, but to be honest I really have no idea.

Feedback, inputs please?

First off, Seong Mi-na isn't broken - Jeremy Ray is.

The only competitive Seong Mi-na build I'm familar with loops Ira-Spinta twice a turn, every turn, from turn 2 onword.

Looking at the deck list might not seem so bad, but playing it is another thing altogether.

Some nifty combos: 1) Using the action side of Psycho Style to knock down seals/other methods of stopping Ira-Spinta. Then pick it up, use again if needed before Spinta'ing. 2) Lord of the Makai with Seong Mi-na's ability helps here to get past her 5 hand size pretty quickly. Couple this with other card draw in Order such as Aquakensis and she gets over the 5 hd size blues pretty quick.

Other Strengths: Her massive vitality lends itself to the slow games she plays. It's not going to be pretty, but more times than not she will wear you down slowly while preventing you from being able to stage an assault against her.

Last, did I mention she plays Ira-Spinta twice a turn - in effect making your net foundation gain a turn +1 or 2 at best?

Hope that helps some.

Her insane synergy with Ira-Spinta is what's so good, not so much Mi-Na in and of herself - but 34 vitality and a resource with Rejection goes a long way to ensure the gimmick will work.

She has a lot of synergy with her stuff. I dont really think she all that great to be blunt, but shes far from awful. She does have a real Niche for a specific playstyle. WHen you compare her to other 5HS characters she FAR outclasses all of them, but that is to say she still has a 5 hs that opening turn of the game, and typically that is where the trouble lies.

I'm in the camp that believes she well balanced. Her character support works with her and she is not overpowering enough to be the front woman for any deck with her symbols, just decks built for her.

A cheeky combo I've had played against me with Seong Mi-Na is the 'blank character' combo. Here's how it goes:

Seong Mi-Na player Tag Along's opposing player, doesn't matter whose turn.

On their own turn they play Divination to get Tag Along back, then bounce Divination with Mi-Na's Form.

Repeat.

Forever.

But Tag along requires them to use the ability first BEFORE you can tag it... I think you got cheated sir T_T

OhSteven said:

it negates it though, so in essence, blank character.

Oh, WOW, that is bad to the friggin.. A..

Rinse and repeat Ira Spinta notwithstanding, she is effectively a 6HS with any attack or action in her hand. Also, because she can clear that one card from her pool, she is very easy to dual symbol - card draw from Order/Water, pin down from Order/Water, and Rejection + Hybrid Style.

On paper, she's not very scary, but in practice, she can recur like a beast, tank like a mofo, and deny your opponent's entire staging area at minimal cost. She can be a pretty tough matchup for a lot of decks.

She's not too good.

She's good. Great, perhaps.

Protoaddict said:

while she might be the best 5hs character i just dont think she out classes all of them by far i think sogetsu is a really good 5hs character and even hugo at 4hs is really good

Da_ghetto_gamer said:

how many tournements has hugo or sogetsu (or any other 5 hander) top 8'd. how many has seong mina top 8'd.

trane said:

Hugo, I sincerely believe is because people are too lazy to break the guy and don't think outside the box.

Sogetsu? Meh.

Homme Chapeau said:

Homme Chapeau said:

Sogetsu is interesting. Unfortunately, I think he was just in the wrong era of this game to be amazing. Hugo is... Big, Fat, and Draws lots of cards. His 4HS obviously detracts, because if you get a bad hand, tough luck. But he is kinda broken...

trane said:

quarzark said:

whats the point of Hugo when you can sacrifice 11 life for +4-5 cards a turn with alex.

quarzark said:

Sogetsu is in the wrong era; he has to compete with Donovan and Seong Mi-Na.

The cool thing about Sogetsu is that he can top 8, and that he is a good character. His handsize is alleviated by the fact that all 3 of his symbols draw like mad.

However, he has to compete with Donovan and Mi-Na, two characters who repeatedly top 8 and top 4, and while I believe his abilities and Tide token support set him apart (as well as the Void symbol, which I think he's really good off of), he doesn't have the ludacrous speed of Donovan, or the LOL ability to super bounce cards like Mi-Na.

But also, Horvath had set Set 11 would be around longer than 8-10 because it got delayed, so perhaps come cycle, in which both Donovan and Mi-Na will go, Sogetsu will see play in the short amount of time he and Aquakinesis are legal.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Quote or it didn't happen.

i dont think seoung-mina would be so bad in a tournament enviorment if it wasnt for ira-spinta thats what makes her broken

sir_shajir said:

Earth.

I woud love to play Sogetsu in whatever the block 4 enviroment might be without sets 8-10. It would be nice for people to see just how amazing a character he is. I don't even care if it's only the characters that will continue to see play, I don't need set 11's cards.

quarzark said:

No, Horvath already said that due to constant delays to Set 11, it will be legally around a tad bit longer than sets 8-10. Hatman not being around to read it is his own fault.

Now, will Horvath keep up to his word on it? I'd think so.

Sogetsu has top 8'd one regional to date, which says he has potential. Personally, with access to a ton of draw and thus the access to abuse the Hell out of his abilities, I'd say he has more than just potential, but promise.

He's not quite the **Ukyo** one would like to think he is, but he's the closest thing. A balanced Ukyo, if you will...