Rounds are NOT one minute long!

By Christophermarshall6, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

NO All threads MUST remain on topic. So lets get to the real meat here:

Was Watto lying when he said that Toydarians are immune to the force, but easily bribed? Because George Lucas called me and said if we don't settle this he's coming to my house and taking my books away.

Also, in case you were wondering, yes, on the phone George does sounds kinda like my little sister doing her "boy voice".

Now look at what you've gone and done. You've angered the Back on Topic Ewok!

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Yosh... thanks to you ive just ttaken my first step into a larger world...

The important thing is ABOUT a minute. It is not a hard number. but when you consider you have about a minute many things make more sense. Like movement where you can cover significant distances and still do an action.

Fulcrum, I heartily believe, is Chuck, Sarah, Casey, and, perhaps, but not for certain, Morgan. This is, of course, after they defeated Fulcrum. But then they restarted it themselves.

NO All threads MUST remain on topic. So lets get to the real meat here:

Was Watto lying when he said that Toydarians are immune to the force, but easily bribed? Because George Lucas called me and said if we don't settle this he's coming to my house and taking my books away.

Also, in case you were wondering, yes, on the phone George does sounds kinda like my little sister doing her "boy voice".

Better not make George angry...

Yes, it is a skit.

Rounds are however long you want them to be.

I have never had a round take less than a minute. You guys must have some really good players at your table. For my guys a round can go on for 15-30 minutes, as they mull over their decisions, and talk about crap. Then building the dice pool, then interpreting it, and then I have to describe the actions, I can not see how this all can take just a minute or even less. You guys must fly through your combat and other stuff...

Now look at what you've gone and done. You've angered the Back on Topic Ewok!

Discuss?

Pretty open topic really.

That said, I like your Ewok, we need force sensitive Ewoks in the game.

Like mentioned in the beginning of the thread, I look at it like the way measurements are done with distance...it's interpreted as needed. So yeah, the Rule of Cool.

To answer as others have:

1) Rule of Cool - if it looks good on screen - go with it.

2) Think of rounds like a page in a comic book, and a single panel is a PCs/NPCs turn in an initiative slot.

Time matters not.

Edited by GM Hooly

I like eggs.

For breakfast: scrambled with mushrooms and spring onions plus a croissant with cream cheese.

We have been playing lots of different RPGs for years and it has just occurred to me that not one of my players have asked how long a round is in any of the EotE games we have played.

What is important is the fact nobody is allowed to play Ewoks (force sensitive or not) nor Gungans in my games!

The issue with treating Slicing as if it's an analogue of real world hacking is that so many things in the Star Wars setting completely shoot down any pretence that it is. Some people make assumptions about Wi-Fi and so forth, but look at them - they're having interstellar conversations in real time - that is simply not electromagnetic communications. And once you throw that out, you can throw out most of your assumptions about "wireless" hacking.

The issue with treating Slicing as if it's an analogue of real world hacking is that so many things in the Star Wars setting completely shoot down any pretence that it is. Some people make assumptions about Wi-Fi and so forth, but look at them - they're having interstellar conversations in real time - that is simply not electromagnetic communications. And once you throw that out, you can throw out most of your assumptions about "wireless" hacking.

Why does the electromagnetic nature of it matter? There are "emissions" of some kind and "sensors" to pick those emissions up and transmit the signals. That's still effectively "wireless". It might be more accurate to note that wireless hacking doesn't occur that much these days because the protocols are more secure, so you still probably need to get a hard connection...which fits more closely with what R2D2 seems to have to do all the time.

Why does the electromagnetic nature of it matter? There are "emissions" of some kind and "sensors" to pick those emissions up and transmit the signals. That's still effectively "wireless". It might be more accurate to note that wireless hacking doesn't occur that much these days because the protocols are more secure, so you still probably need to get a hard connection...which fits more closely with what R2D2 seems to have to do all the time.

Yep, +2 difficulty and 2 downgrades if you attempt to hack wirelessly. So no one does it unless forced to. Or something like that.

What is important is the fact nobody is allowed to play Ewoks (force sensitive or not) nor Gungans in my games!

No, no, no, No, No, NO, NO!!!

Ewoks are cute furballs for the kids and only kids. They should NEVER appear a s a playable species (unless you play with 10-year-old in which case you should play Mouse Guard, not Star Wars).

Gungans are cool except for ONE STUPID GUNGAN THAT WAS CAST OUT!!! Yes, they cast him out and it was only due to the meddling humans that he got an influential position later on. Gungans are cool, do not discriminate against them, just because of the most (in)famous member of that species!

Edit: it's "Play" with 10-year-olds ;)

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Lovin' it!

The issue with treating Slicing as if it's an analogue of real world hacking is that so many things in the Star Wars setting completely shoot down any pretence that it is. Some people make assumptions about Wi-Fi and so forth, but look at them - they're having interstellar conversations in real time - that is simply not electromagnetic communications. And once you throw that out, you can throw out most of your assumptions about "wireless" hacking.

Why does the electromagnetic nature of it matter? There are "emissions" of some kind and "sensors" to pick those emissions up and transmit the signals. That's still effectively "wireless". It might be more accurate to note that wireless hacking doesn't occur that much these days because the protocols are more secure, so you still probably need to get a hard connection...which fits more closely with what R2D2 seems to have to do all the time.

It can have all sorts of things to do with it. For example, the recurrent players asking "why didn't they just email the plans to the DeathStar" or "I'll just post it on the Holonet - the Empire can't stop me because trust me, I know how servers and networking are done" Everything we see in Star Wars indicates that whilst transmission *speeds* are very high (above lightspeed), transmission *bandwidth* is very limited. Want to deliver the plans for the Death Star? You'll have to take them there physically because the technology SW uses is only good enough for voice and some patchy blue holograms. You can't hack things wirelessly because what SW uses is not radiowaves, it's something else entirely and that technology isn't like that. Maybe it's quantum entanglement or some such, and hence far too constrained for hacking.

Similar with the Holonet and players assuming it works like the Internet. The Internet was designed to be a robust network in the event of infrastructure collapse and to make sure everyone could talk to everyone else. The Holonet was designed as a top-down communications system by a Fascist state that does not anticipate any devastating attacks by enemies of equal power. Why should it be designed the same?

What is important is the fact nobody is allowed to play Ewoks (force sensitive or not) nor Gungans in my games!

No, no, no, No, No, NO, NO!!!

Ewoks are cute furballs for the kids and only kids. They should NEVER appear a s a playable species (unless you lay with 10-year-old in which case you should play Mouse Guard, not Star Wars).

Are you serious? Ewoks are savage sons of *******! They were going to EAT Luke, Han and Leia after roasting them ALIVE! Humans don't even cook animals alive and these things were going to do it to sentient beings - even one that resembled them!

Ewoks are NASTY.

Gungans are cool except for ONE STUPID GUNGAN THAT WAS CAST OUT!!! Yes, they cast him out and it was only due to the meddling humans that he got an influential position later on. Gungans are cool, do not discriminate against them, just because of the most (in)famous member of that species!

Now this I agree with! One Gungan was even played by Brian Blessed and nobody can argue with Brian Blessed.

Well you can, but it's banned by the UN in case it provokes him to raise his voice at you. Last time he did that... well, you didn't hear this from me, but... Tunguska.

Similar with the Holonet and players assuming it works like the Internet. The Internet was designed to be a robust network in the event of infrastructure collapse and to make sure everyone could talk to everyone else. The Holonet was designed as a top-down communications system by a Fascist state that does not anticipate any devastating attacks by enemies of equal power. Why should it be designed the same?

The Holonet was around before the Empire, you know this from TCW. Who knows how it was designed? The Internet structure is really the only logical one if you want reliability, which is just as important in a fascist state as a democratic one...possibly more so. And it's not like fascist states can't control the internet: if you were in China, and they had a Death Star, you probably wouldn't try to send such monumentally important information by email either...fascist states can control their local Internet quite well.

In any case, part of the reason I assume it's the same structurally as what we have is because then I don't have to waste time in game trying to explain to my non-StarWars-fan players why they can't do something. It's partly selfish :) but I don't think it violates any of what we see in the media.

No, no, no, No, No, NO, NO!!!

Ewoks are cute furballs for the kids and only kids. They should NEVER appear a s a playable species (unless you lay with 10-year-old in which case you should play Mouse Guard, not Star Wars).

Gungans are cool except for ONE STUPID GUNGAN THAT WAS CAST OUT!!! Yes, they cast him out and it was only due to the meddling humans that he got an influential position later on. Gungans are cool, do not discriminate against them, just because of the most (in)famous member of that species!

Your Star Wars is not better than mine just because you have hair growing where you don't want it and thinning where you do. You just got cynical and crabby and forgot that Star Wars is a fairy tale with knights, princesses and wizards. Fairy tales are for kids (inner children included).

Release your inner child! Run with scissors! Watch cartoons (I recommend Fairly Oddparents and Regular Show)! Jar Jar and many, many ewoks are waiting to play with you with open arms.

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OMG, Regular Show is Horrible.

On the Holonet: I think it's important to remember that technology is not a strait line nor is any particular device inevitable. Technological space-fairing civilization in the SW setting has been around for tens of thousands of years and has developed on many disparate worlds by thousands of unique species with differing needs and intermixed for a large portion of that time.Also during this time technology has waxed and waned and gone off in unexpected directions. Often the best or newer tech isn't going to win out and be adopted, not because it isn't better but because the older tech works fine and is so entrenched and ubiquitous that to switch over would be more trouble than any newer tech benefit would provide. Not only this but there is the Force which will in it's own way have an effect as well. So it's best to just accept that the tech we see in the films (a 7-80's view of a future fantasy) is what it is and leave it at that.

On the Prequels: Sorry but this old man thinks they sucked and should be expunged from the world, forever. Not because I have anything against new stuff but because the films just aren't good story telling and, and be honest with yourself, are mostly forgettable and the stuff one does remember is generally because it's so painful to watch it's been burned into your brain like a catchy tune or plain screws with many of the cool concepts from the original films. The prequels weren't written for children as much as they were written by someone writing like a child. /rant

Oh, and Rounds are around a minute long but can be shorter or longer as needed. This is an important concept because it explains many of the choices made when FFG developed the Combat system which really isn't designed, in general, to be only a few seconds long. If you want to think of Rounds as being only 10 seconds or so then rules like Auto-Fire, Aiming, Movement, preforming other tasks etc. will need to be re-assessed.

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No, no, no, No, No, NO, NO!!!

Ewoks are cute furballs for the kids and only kids. They should NEVER appear a s a playable species (unless you play with 10-year-old in which case you should play Mouse Guard, not Star Wars).

Gungans are cool except for ONE STUPID GUNGAN THAT WAS CAST OUT!!! Yes, they cast him out and it was only due to the meddling humans that he got an influential position later on. Gungans are cool, do not discriminate against them, just because of the most (in)famous member of that species!

More age bias!

Your Star Wars is not better than mine just because you have hair growing where you don't want it and thinning where you do. You just got cynical and crabby and forgot that Star Wars is a fairy tale with knights, princesses and wizards. Fairy tales are for kids (inner children included).

Release your inner child! Run with scissors! Watch cartoons (I recommend Fairly Oddparents and Regular Show)! Jar Jar and many, many ewoks are waiting to play with you with open arms.

Apologies, that was not the intention, even though you have a point. Fyi I LOVE Mouse Guard and as far as cartoons are concerned Pinky and The Brain never gets old. So, yes, Ewoks may have their place, if not in my game then in someone else's. You'll have to admit that Jar Jar was overdone, however. There is a difference between slapstick and cheap slapstick, just check out the OLD slapstick gods (Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin or the Marx Brothers).

I like eggs.

For breakfast: scrambled with mushrooms and spring onions plus a croissant with cream cheese.

****, and I had a spoon of Nutella for breakfast.

I read this idea too late.

Release your inner child! Run with scissors! Watch cartoons (I recommend Fairly Oddparents and Regular Show)! Jar Jar and many, many ewoks are waiting to play with you with open arms.

Running with scissors + Ewoks with open arms = bad mental image.