Daredevil and Tycho

By gamblertuba, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Attached this question to the daredevil topic but I think it deserves its own thread

Daredevil "Action: Execute a red (1 hard turn) maneuver.

edit- this has been errata'd with the FAQ, should read "white" instead of red.

Tycho "You may perform actions even while you have stress tokens."

Rulebook pg 17 "While a ship has at least one stress token, it cannot execute red maneuvers or perform any actions (even free actions)."

Seems like "Psycho Celchu" will not work. Anyone else disappointed? Or am I missing something? Tycho can take the action but cannot complete the maneuver. If someone did call the action while stressed, not sure what happens then? My guess is the action is simply cancelled but I suppose you could argue that the opponent gets to choose a maneuver?

edit- Sorry, missed the update to the most recent FAQ. Is Tycho the only pilot where this really matters? Maybe some pilot crit cards?

Edited by gamblertuba

It also matters on ships with an R2 Astromech, as they'd turn the red maneuver green, and therefore avoid the stress.

The Daredevil bit in the FAQ has been around since Wave 2, by the bye.

It also matters on ships with an R2 Astromech, as they'd turn the red maneuver green, and therefore avoid the stress.

The Daredevil bit in the FAQ has been around since Wave 2, by the bye.

Not based on the errata for the card. The maneuver would be green, which would allow you to remove any existing stress token, but you would get a stress token added on after completing the maneuver, as per the errata. Green maneuvers allow you to remove stress tokens you have, not ones you are about to gain.

Edited by Sergovan

It also matters on ships with an R2 Astromech, as they'd turn the red maneuver green, and therefore avoid the stress.

The Daredevil bit in the FAQ has been around since Wave 2, by the bye.

Not based on the errata for the card. The maneuver would be green, which would allow you to remove any existing stress token, but you would get a stress token added on after completing the maneuver, as per the errata. Green maneuvers allow you to remove stress tokens you have, not ones you are about to gain.

The OLD version would behave the way I spake.

The maneuver would be green, which would allow you to remove any existing stress token ...

No it doesn't.

Daredevil allows you to perform step three execute maneuver of the activation phase. Nothing else. You do not resolve step four check pilot stress. Daredevil as a red maneuver does not give you stress. That's the (or at least one) reason for the errata. Daredevil as a green maneuver does not remove stress.

Of course you cannot resolve step three without resolving step two set template and a part of step five clean up (remove template) as well. But no. The only thing daredevil allows is step three.

Combining R2 and R2D2 with daredevil would regenerate a shield.

Huh, I hadn't thought about it only stopping after having done the maneuver. So it doesn't remove nor give a stress based on the colour, only gives a stress because it is stated on the card. I'll have to remember that.

Attached this question to the daredevil topic but I think it deserves its own thread

Daredevil "Action: Execute a red (1 hard turn) maneuver.

edit- this has been errata'd with the FAQ, should read "white" instead of red.

Tycho "You may perform actions even while you have stress tokens."

Rulebook pg 17 "While a ship has at least one stress token, it cannot execute red maneuvers or perform any actions (even free actions)."

Seems like "Psycho Celchu" will not work. Anyone else disappointed? Or am I missing something? Tycho can take the action but cannot complete the maneuver. If someone did call the action while stressed, not sure what happens then? My guess is the action is simply cancelled but I suppose you could argue that the opponent gets to choose a maneuver?

edit- Sorry, missed the update to the most recent FAQ. Is Tycho the only pilot where this really matters? Maybe some pilot crit cards?

Tycho can indeed make use of Daredevil. Daredevil is an Action that allows a white 1-turn, and Tycho can take this action while stressed, because that's his ability. Tycho is an exception to the rule on Page 17. Ignore anything about red maneuvers because Daredevil isn't using a red maneuver.

The maneuver would be green, which would allow you to remove any existing stress token ...

No it doesn't.

Daredevil allows you to perform step three execute maneuver of the activation phase. Nothing else. You do not resolve step four check pilot stress. Daredevil as a red maneuver does not give you stress. That's the (or at least one) reason for the errata. Daredevil as a green maneuver does not remove stress.

Of course you cannot resolve step three without resolving step two set template and a part of step five clean up (remove template) as well. But no. The only thing daredevil allows is step three.

Combining R2 and R2D2 with daredevil would regenerate a shield.

The FAQ says "A ship that performs the Daredevil action follows all normal rules for executing a maneuver."

I would assume that would be Steps 2-5, but because Daredevil says to execute the maneuver (steps 2, 3, 4 & 5), then receive the stress token, you're still going to get a stress token when using it.

With an R2 unit, Daredevil would become a green maneuver and should theoretically be able to remove a stress token, but because it's an action, you wouldn't be able to use Daredevil as you're already stressed. And seeing as Tycho is the only guy that can use Daredevil while stressed but can't take an R2 unit, then the green maneuver debate is kinda redundant.

The maneuver would be green, which would allow you to remove any existing stress token ...

No it doesn't.

Daredevil allows you to perform step three execute maneuver of the activation phase. Nothing else. You do not resolve step four check pilot stress. Daredevil as a red maneuver does not give you stress. That's the (or at least one) reason for the errata. Daredevil as a green maneuver does not remove stress.

Of course you cannot resolve step three without resolving step two set template and a part of step five clean up (remove template) as well. But no. The only thing daredevil allows is step three.

Combining R2 and R2D2 with daredevil would regenerate a shield.

The FAQ says "A ship that performs the Daredevil action follows all normal rules for executing a maneuver."

I would assume that would be Steps 2-5, but because Daredevil says to execute the maneuver (steps 2, 3, 4 & 5), then receive the stress token, you're still going to get a stress token when using it.

Step three has a name: "Execute Maneuver". That's what the FAQ refers to. You do everything you normally do when executing a maneuver. You pick up the ship and place it at the other end of the non-existing maneuver template. RAW that's precisely what you do. Steps two, four and five are not part of executing a maneuver. The card tells you to execute a maneuver. Nothing more.

On a related note, you do not resolve steps one or six either. They are not part of executing a maneuver, just like steps two, four and five are not part of executing a maneuver.

Edited by dvor