I don't really understand why the slavery is such an issue.

Because Bountry Hunters don't care much either way about slavery.

However, there are a LOT of bounties where there's a bigger payoff for returning an acquistion alive than dead (there's one in the EoE book for a start).

So it makes sense there would be a type of BH who specialises in that; Brawl skills, takedowns, non-lethal weapons, etc.

There is one entire house of the Guild that is composed of slavers.

You cannot be a heroic slaver. I'm sorry, you can't. There is nothing heroic or honorable about imposing your will over another sentient being and owning them like property, treating them like you would a farm animal.

How many Greek heroes owned slaves?

I don't really understand why the slavery is such an issue.

Because Bountry Hunters don't care much either way about slavery.

However, there are a LOT of bounties where there's a bigger payoff for returning an acquistion alive than dead (there's one in the EoE book for a start).

So it makes sense there would be a type of BH who specialises in that; Brawl skills, takedowns, non-lethal weapons, etc.

There is one entire house of the Guild that is composed of slavers.

Which opens a corridor for anyone wanting to play a *****. No need to make a spec for it...

You cannot be a heroic slaver. I'm sorry, you can't. There is nothing heroic or honorable about imposing your will over another sentient being and owning them like property, treating them like you would a farm animal.

How many Greek heroes owned slaves?

Which makes slave owning heroic how?

You cannot be a heroic slaver. I'm sorry, you can't. There is nothing heroic or honorable about imposing your will over another sentient being and owning them like property, treating them like you would a farm animal.

How many Greek heroes owned slaves?

Which makes slave owning heroic how?

Why, in a Classical way, of course!

Also, owning slaves and being a slaver are two different things.

Also, owning slaves and being a slaver are two different things.

True while I can think of plenty of heroic characters, both historical and fictional, that owned slaves its harder for me to think of many involved in the capturing end of the practice, though there were a few involved in the transport area. But many of those were only involved in it for a short period before moving on to other things.

Having a Bounty Hunter spec specializing in live capture but not named slaver would make a lot more sense then having one named slaver IMO. Parties and players that wanted to could still make slavers using the spec though.

While I like the bounty hunter characters as much as anybody, the idea of playing one never held much appeal to me--until now. The more I think about it, the more I like the concept of a "skip tracer/repo man" specialization. I really hope the game designers pick up on that idea.

Also, owning slaves and being a slaver are two different things.

The difference between being a Hutt and a Zygerrian.

Tech book I see Ugnauhts before Jawa.... I could have seen Jawa in the scoundrel book... I mean smuggler book as con men. We don't actually ever see jawa teching out on anything in "official" sources. Just sayin....

Verpine would be sweet and a shoe-in.

Perhaps a Dug from the pod races, mechanic of some sort, though I'm not sold on them putting two "small" species in the same book.

Still pullin for Lepi somewhere... something about 8ft meat eating bunnys gets my socks in a twist.

Bounty hunter races are a bit harder for me to think of. All the main ones are done. Sing was near human.

Maybe Kyzo (embo from the clone wars).
Probably Clawdite (shape shifter rules should be awesome, probably whatever the social BH is)
Third I'm stumped. Didn't Ventress go BH for a bit?.. but I think Dathomirian is just near humans, so no-go there.

You can be a heroic assassin, killing the worst the galaxy has to offer (criminals and Imperials). Another IP even made an entire video game series out of it. (Assassins Creed)

I'd have a hard time swallowing that... Perhaps the honor code from old alignments screws me up but something about back stabbing unsuspecting, unarmed, victims doesn't suggest "hero" to me. I'm not saying you have to be evil or any of that business, just that it isn't very heroic. Anyone could shoot Chuck Norris from 100 yards, I wouldn't say you "beat" him.

Verpine, Jawa and Squib for Technician Book

No more calls please, we have a winner.

So....and I want to preface this by saying I've had NOTHING to do with any technician book or bounty hunter book, so I don't KNOW anything, I'm just guessing like the rest of you. But....

If I had to guess, I would guess we are getting a third adventure module and a third regions book for edge as well before it's "complete." 6 class books, 3 region books, 3 adventure modules. There's a certain symmetry there. So from the assumption (which, again, has absolutely no basis in reality or anything I know) that we have 4 books yet, and let's say that translates to 11 additional species....not counting whta might be coming in smuggler, since we aren't sure yet....

here's what I'd like to see:

Falleen

Pykes,
Squibs
Ryn
Zeltron
Herglic
Barabel
Ubese
T'surr (just because)
Bimm
Jawa

That is my list, many of which made the cut based on my own personal preferences. I can't wait to see what we get either way!

Verpine, Jawa and Squib for Technician Book

No more calls please, we have a winner.

Oh verpine are a must-add too!

Bounty hunter races are a bit harder for me to think of. All the main ones are done. Sing was near human.

Maybe Kyzo (embo from the clone wars).

Probably Clawdite (shape shifter rules should be awesome, probably whatever the social BH is)

Third I'm stumped. Didn't Ventress go BH for a bit?.. but I think Dathomirian is just near humans, so no-go there.

I can see Clawdite and Kyuzo making it in. My thinking on Whiphid, Amani, and Saurin is that the first two are known for hunting (and bounty hunting), while two of the three Saurin we see in the OT are combat trainers (Sai'torr Kal Fas in ANH and Gauron Nas Tal in ROTJ). Plus we know next to nothing about the Saurin, and they've always been a favorite of mine since I was a kid.

You can be a heroic assassin, killing the worst the galaxy has to offer (criminals and Imperials). Another IP even made an entire video game series out of it. (Assassins Creed)

I'd have a hard time swallowing that... Perhaps the honor code from old alignments screws me up but something about back stabbing unsuspecting, unarmed, victims doesn't suggest "hero" to me. I'm not saying you have to be evil or any of that business, just that it isn't very heroic. Anyone could shoot Chuck Norris from 100 yards, I wouldn't say you "beat" him.

If you kill someone who has ordered the enslavement, death, torture, or some combo of the above of dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of innocent people, and showed no sign of planning to stop there I think people will consider you a hero regardless of how you killed them unless you did it in such a way that slaughtered innocent bystanders en masse,

You can be a heroic assassin, killing the worst the galaxy has to offer (criminals and Imperials). Another IP even made an entire video game series out of it. (Assassins Creed)

I'd have a hard time swallowing that... Perhaps the honor code from old alignments screws me up but something about back stabbing unsuspecting, unarmed, victims doesn't suggest "hero" to me. I'm not saying you have to be evil or any of that business, just that it isn't very heroic. Anyone could shoot Chuck Norris from 100 yards, I wouldn't say you "beat" him.

If you kill someone who has ordered the enslavement, death, torture, or some combo of the above of dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of innocent people, and showed no sign of planning to stop there I think people will consider you a hero regardless of how you killed them unless you did it in such a way that slaughtered innocent bystanders en masse,

I agree, especially setting-wise.

Assassins, though not necessarily "heroic" in every consideration, can still act as a hero: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotNice

Slave traffickers, however, are just plain bad guys. Profiteering bullies. And bullies aren't heroes.

Watto bought and sold slaves. He didn't seem to be all that much of a bad guy.

Watto bought and sold slaves. He didn't seem to be all that much of a bad guy.

Possibly because his slaves never acted like they were slaves.

Perhaps he had a subversive streak about him. "Slavery is wrong, but if I buy them and just free them, thjey'll wind up right back in a hutt cell again next week." So he arranged to give them as good a life as he could under the conditions, while still maintaining "ownership".

So why didn't he give up both Mom and Son Skywalker then? Because he's still a businessman and giving away two valuable assets to this "Who the hell are you?" would be too big of a blow in one go?

You can be a heroic Hutt. You don't have to be a drug runner or a crime lord; you could be ... a Heavy.

"A Hutt can be a Heavy" Well, that will be a given! No question about that.

Participating in a culture of slavery is different from being a slaver, proper.

Also, I agree that Sluissi should be in Technician book. And so should Verpine. Given the Utinni! talent, Jawas should be as well

Sluissi could fall into the AoR Engineer book just as easily as a technician book though. They work a shipyard, and there is a bit more of an official shipbuilding sort of vibe to them as opposed to say, the squib, which are more independent mad inventors and tinkerers.

I think that's where FFG is placing themselves in a corner with the Three "Main" Books, and their off shoot expansion books that broaden the classes. If they're gonna be doing this for all three books and their corresponding character classes, then there's likely to be some overlapping in AoR, and even F&D Classes, as EotE is gaining a lot of source material already. But hey, if FFG can pull it off (and it looks like they definitely have a plan) then more power to them. That'll be awesome. I'm looking forward to seeing how they plan on tackling these giants in the future.

Again, I'd be surprised if we ever saw Sluissi. They're hardly iconic to the setting, and they're not a film alien, so trends suggest FFG'd look elsewhere. If anything, we'll see one of Sluissi, Verpine, or Squib, and the latter two are far more prevalent in Legends than the Sluissi are. But, hey, we've got both an Engineer book and a Technician book to look forward to, so who knows? Maybe we'll get two of the three. Personally, I'd prefer the bugs and the furballs.

Second, I wonder if they might port the Rigger over from the Ace book as one of the Technician's specializations. Or would that be too similar to Outlaw Tech?