It looks like the Armada a wings have the same scaling issue that they do in x-wing. It seems absolutely needed there though.

I haven't seen Armada in person, so I have no frame of reference. Is it possible though, that the armada x-wings are closer to the x-wing scale than the ones we currently have?

Edit: Sorry, I think I was unclear. My question is: Would the A-Wings in Armada be close to the right size compared to the Y-wings in X-wing. I.E. are the Armada A-wings about the size of the cockpit of an X-Wing Y-Wing?

Wait, what scaling issues do A-wings have in X-wing? Just comparing my Interceptors and A-Wings, they seem to be in proper scale with each other.

It looks like the Armada a wings have the same scaling issue that they do in x-wing. It seems absolutely needed there though.

I haven't seen Armada in person, so I have no frame of reference. Is it possible though, that the armada x-wings are closer to the x-wing scale than the ones we currently have?

Erm...it's unlikely that the fighters are scaled in Armada, given that individual fighters are not the focus of the game.

It looks like the Armada a wings have the same scaling issue that they do in x-wing. It seems absolutely needed there though.

I haven't seen Armada in person, so I have no frame of reference. Is it possible though, that the armada x-wings are closer to the x-wing scale than the ones we currently have?

Erm...it's unlikely that the fighters are scaled in Armada, given that individual fighters are not the focus of the game.

Agreed. The focus in armada is capital ships; and I haven't seen anywhere that they are following an exact scale, although I could be wrong.

Armada doesn't have a set scale. This way, they can have a variety of capital ships.

This is an unusual discussion to be having an a forum for X-Wing, when there's a perfectly good Armada forum out there...

It looks like the Armada a wings have the same scaling issue that they do in x-wing. It seems absolutely needed there though.

I haven't seen Armada in person, so I have no frame of reference. Is it possible though, that the armada x-wings are closer to the x-wing scale than the ones we currently have?

Erm...it's unlikely that the fighters are scaled in Armada, given that individual fighters are not the focus of the game.

Sorry, I think I was unclear. My question is: Would the A-Wings in Armada be close to the right size compared to the Y-wings in X-wing. I.E. are the Armada A-wings about the size of the cockpit of an X-Wing Y-Wing?

Yeah the fighters are not to scale in Armada.

Nothing in that game is scaled correctly, so why should we expect the tiny fighters to be? A true-scale a-wing would probably be too small to be a practical model.

I.E. are the Armada A-wings about the size of the cockpit of an X-Wing Y-Wing?

From what I've seen, no they're not. But that's based on just pictures on a the web page.

Wait, what scaling issues do A-wings have in X-wing? Just comparing my Interceptors and A-Wings, they seem to be in proper scale with each other.

Boy do YOU have some calm, friendly and well reasoned threads to read!

Something tells me I should avoid those threads, based on every videogame and the like, and drawing I have comparing A-Wings and other rebel ships, they're at the right scale. Do people think they're too big or too small?

Do people think they're too big or too small?

Some people believe the A-Wing in this game is too large.

Oh well....here we go again.

Sorry guys, just had to ask, didn't I? Note to self on joining forums in future: check for any longstanding arguments on things that ultimately only really matter for flavour, not mechanics-wise or anything.

Do people think they're too big or too small?

They're indisputably too small based on what we see in the movies and pictures of the models used in those movies. Scaling it based on the size of the pilot/cockpit the a-wing should be about the size of the front "wedge" section of the y-wing. Most likely what happened was that FFG decided that a true-scale a-wing would be too small to be a practical model and increased the size.

Going by the stats in the back of my 2014 Complete Vehicles cross-sections book, the A-Wing is 9.6m long, while the Y-wing is 16. Those are probably the most canon official values, and based on them, the scaling in X-Wing is correct. The wedge front of the Y-Wing is nowhere near 10 meters long, it's only about a third or less of the fighter's length. Those are also the values given on Wookieepedia, presumably taken from that source. And considering they were written and drawn with consultation from Lucasfilm designers, well...

It's important to remember that the canopy of the Y-Wing and the A-Wing are quite different, too, so directly comparing them isn't really helpful.

Oh great, now I'm getting involved in the debate >.<

Oh great, now I'm getting involved in the debate >.<

Run! Run while you still can.

The nutshell of the argument is that based on movie images and models the A-Wing isn't 9.6m long and Disney and LFL are wrong when they list that value.

Myself I refuse to get involved in this argument again. So I'll maybe head it off before it's too late.

Going by the stats in the back of my 2014 Complete Vehicles cross-sections book, the A-Wing is 9.6m long, while the Y-wing is 16.

Those stats are wrong. It's kind of like how, for a long time, the official length of the Executor was ~8km despite indisputable evidence from the movies that it was much longer. Why? Because some old RPG supplement had said 8km, and that's what everyone kept using. It was finally changed after fans persuaded someone to make the correct (~16km IIRC) length official and stop using the incorrect number.

Those are probably the most canon official values, and based on them, the scaling in X-Wing is correct.

No, the most cannon official values are the ones obtained directly from the movies. And the movies show a much smaller a-wing.

(Also, remember that virtually all EU stuff, including your book, is no longer canon.)

The wedge front of the Y-Wing is nowhere near 10 meters long, it's only about a third or less of the fighter's length.

Well yes, that's the point. The "wedge" area comparison is the correct scale as established by the movies. The FFG model and the "official" numbers are simply wrong.

It's important to remember that the canopy of the Y-Wing and the A-Wing are quite different, too, so directly comparing them isn't really helpful.

That's why you look at interior shots. You can see in the a-wing cockpit interior shots that the pilot is still a fairly tight fit and doesn't have much more space than a y-wing or x-wing pilot. So we can assume that the cockpit area is roughly the same size, not significantly larger as is is on the FFG a-wing model.

Oh great, now I'm getting involved in the debate >.<

Run! Run while you still can.

I'm going to take your advice, and assuming that the A-Wing is too large model-wise (I still think, based on shots and models, it should be a bit bigger than the Y-Wing front end at least) I'll just say, it's a different variation of the A-wing being used, that is to proper scale for the game

Now, to never speak of this again...

My one post on this completely inane topic:

That's why you look at interior shots. You can see in the a-wing cockpit interior shots that the pilot is still a fairly tight fit and doesn't have much more space than a y-wing or x-wing pilot. So we can assume that the cockpit area is roughly the same size, not significantly larger as is is on the FFG a-wing model.

1. The interior set is built separately than the model, and I doubt full scale models were even made of the exterior. So making assumptions based on this horrible evidence is a terrible idea and proves nothing.

2. ugh, why did I respond. This is going to be aggravating. I can hear the response of "actually blah blah blah..." now.

Ignore me, I'm sure I'm wrong.

Best indication of A-Wing size is Rogue Squadron II. No, I am not kidding.

Regardless of the X-Wing A-Wing clearly being too big, it's still one of my favourite models in the whole game. I mean, it's no FIRESPRAY!, but it's up there.

Speaking of Armada, how cool is that Assault Friggate?! I love the look of that; makes me think that until they bring out a huge ship scale Exectuter, or at least a large ship scale ISD, I'm gonna be playing Rebels a lot (plus Nebulon B! Woo!). Anyone know what source it's from?

With armada I expect all starfighters to have the same scale just different statistics which makes them good at their target and bad against others. I expect A-wings and interceptors to destroy other squadrons but can't attack capital ships while B-wing and Bombers to decimate ships but fall to the other squadrons.