2 CORE SETS REVEISITED

By dojimaster, in Star Wars: Armada

So maybe 2 core sets isn't a bad idea after all, but it depends on whether or not you want duplicates of those ships.

Core Set - MRSP $99.99

Ships in the core set:

Victory-class SD $39.95

CR90 Corellian Corvette $19.95

Nebulon-B Frigate $19.95

Rebel Fighter Squadrons $4.99

Imperial Fighter Squadrons $4.99

Armada Dice Pack $9.99

TOTAL $99.82

Squadrons are 2/8 included in squadron packs, so price above reflects that.

So if you think you'll want duplicates (I know I will) in that second core set, that extra $0.17 gets you the following:

  • second set of rules
  • second articulated measurement tool
  • second range ruler
  • second set of 9 dice
  • second set of more than 130 cards and tokens
  • second stylish box to adorn your home!

When you factor the pre-order price available, and assuming a comparable discount on packs, the price difference falls to $0.12.

SO - if you want duplicates anyways that second core set is looking pretty good. The vlaue is there.

If you don't want duplicates, well then, go on about your business. Nothing to see here.

Edited by dojimaster

I think it really depends on whether or not you want the upgrades from the standalone packs, rather than getting repeats from the core set. Though I figure if you are willing to buy a second core set you'll probably get those as well.

Most relevant question will be if its usefull tp field 3 vsd's (2 from core plus 1 from wave 1). Vsds are pretty expensive point wise and if you cant fit 3 in a fleet than thats $40 from your second core down the drain.

Most relevant question will be if its usefull tp field 3 vsd's (2 from core plus 1 from wave 1). Vsds are pretty expensive point wise and if you cant fit 3 in a fleet than thats $40 from your second core down the drain.

Homebrew 500-1000 point games? Well until we get the ISD anyways. But yea I doubt that three VSDs would be very competitive due to the lack of points for fighters.

Though I figure if you are willing to buy a second core set you'll probably get those as well.

I wouldn't. I mean picking up a 2nd X-Wing core or even a 3rd, because you can use all those ships and only spend $25 or so bucks, sure that's a great deal. But the same can not be said of Armada at $100.

Most relevant question will be if its usefull tp field 3 vsd's (2 from core plus 1 from wave 1).

IMO no, they aren't useful. Not with how important Fighters seem to be. There just isn't room for 3 VSD's in a 300 point match, not with everything else you're going to want.

Only wrinkle I see if is the Wave one release truly have cards you can only get there, like the X-Wing core vs. X-Wing wave 1.

hey all who probably know a lot more about this than I. Do the wave 1 expansions that are effectively repeats from the core set have different things that what is obtained via the core set?

Do the wave 1 expansions that are effectively repeats from the core set have different things that what is obtained via the core set?

I'm almost positive that FFG said the upgrades in the expansions would be different from the core set, when they talked about it at GenCon.

Strange, looking at the products page the fighter packs are $19.95 each not $4.99. So if you add everything up it comes out to $129.70. that's $29.75 more than a 2nd core. So if you want the extras and will get one of each expansion in addition, that's not a bad deal at all.

Edited by miridor

Strange, looking at the products page the fighter packs are $19.95 each not $4.99. So if you add everything up it comes out to $129.70. that's $29.75 more than a 2nd core. So if you want the extras and will get one of each expansion in addition, that's not a bad deal at all.

My guess is he was trying to price out just the fighters that come in the core, but he botched it a little.

There are 10 fighters in the core. I assume them to be just ties and Xs.

The fighter packs contain 8 ships (2 of 4 different types). So really, if 2 fighters is $5, that would make the core's fighter value at about $25.

The X-wing core was a cheaper option for additional ships. It also was very affordable. For less than $30, you got $30 worth of ships, damage deck, $10 pack of dice, and rulers galore.

Even if the Armada core broke even on value, it doesn't seem like a good deal. You end up with more ships than you can really use in a match, or would want to (3 VSDs, 12 (or more) regular ties, etc). On top of that, you're looking at a price of at around $70 discounted.

You'd increase the price of wave one by $60 (dice pack vs core) to around 260-270. And you'd end up with pieces that would likely never see the table and a second ruler/damage deck. $60 seems like a lot for a ruler and a damage deck.

Strange, looking at the products page the fighter packs are $19.95 each not $4.99. So if you add everything up it comes out to $129.70. that's $29.75 more than a 2nd core. So if you want the extras and will get one of each expansion in addition, that's not a bad deal at all.

My guess is he was trying to price out just the fighters that come in the core, but he botched it a little.

There are 10 fighters in the core. I assume them to be just ties and Xs.

The fighter packs contain 8 ships (2 of 4 different types). So really, if 2 fighters is $5, that would make the core's fighter value at about $25.

The X-wing core was a cheaper option for additional ships. It also was very affordable. For less than $30, you got $30 worth of ships, damage deck, $10 pack of dice, and rulers galore.

Even if the Armada core broke even on value, it doesn't seem like a good deal. You end up with more ships than you can really use in a match, or would want to (3 VSDs, 12 (or more) regular ties, etc). On top of that, you're looking at a price of at around $70 discounted.

You'd increase the price of wave one by $60 (dice pack vs core) to around 260-270. And you'd end up with pieces that would likely never see the table and a second ruler/damage deck. $60 seems like a lot for a ruler and a damage deck.

You forgot the box. :P

But yes, I see where my math on the fighters was a bit off. Sorry 'bout that.

Edited by dojimaster

The only thing I'm really all that curious about is if I'll actually need the second set of dice. I'm seriously considering just buying a dice pack instead: one core and one set of Rebel stuff is already setting me back a bit. On the other hand, I might sell the Star Destroyer and the TIEs....

when i saw the price of the exansions, i opted for another core set instead. though my ships would mainly be used for the rpg. seems the cheaper option for me!

btw, if youre in the UK, Amazon has preorders for £59. They originally had Imperial Assault for £61, but thats just jumped to £79, so if you looking to preorder i would do it sooner rather than later. they do say delivery is not until may for Armada (and October 2015 for IA lol!), but i dont think they have had a correct FFG update for delivery yet!

and i dont suppose any of you know if they bringing freighter sized ships out too? then you got the 4 sizes in the game!

The only thing I'm really all that curious about is if I'll actually need the second set of dice.

No you don't, not really. You don't need a second set for X-Wing either, it's just easier with it.

See I disagree that you don't need at least four of each die type for X-Wing due to the inclusion of more high agility ships from Wave 2 onwards as well as ships that have base attacks with three dice, and not to mention secondary weapons. So the question really becomes "when am I rolling more than three dice of one colour?"

Edited by LeoHowler

See I disagree that you don't need at least four of each die type for X-Wing

But you can reroll blanks, so you don't need more than 3 dice. In fact you could get by with 1 if you wanted to. Just would have to keep a tally of <hits> <crits> ect...

The question is, is the convenience of not having to reroll dice worth the price of more dice?

See I disagree that you don't need at least four of each die type for X-Wing

But you can reroll blanks, so you don't need more than 3 dice. In fact you could get by with 1 if you wanted to. Just would have to keep a tally of <hits> <crits> ect...

The question is, is the convenience of not having to reroll dice worth the price of more dice?

Yes. Yes it is.

I dunno. X-Wing has spoiled me for quality, so I'm trying to pinch every penny I can when getting into this, if I do decide to buy expansions. I'm thinking it might be better to just get the dice pack, but I'm also likely to just buy one faction. I guess it might boil down to individuals and preference for the two cores question.

I am going to have to disagree with the two core sets for now. Very unlikely you will be able to field 3 VSD at one time in standard play. Compared to x-wing you could field 4 x-wings and 8 tie fighters. So one of everything would be the way to go if you want to go for cheapest amount and still have a good amount of stuff to play with. Even if it was cheaper to get two cores you miss out on what we know will be wave one only cards.

I think I will want to buy two Gladiators to escort one VSD. So at this time the only thing I am thinking of getting more then one of is the Gladiator and the Assault Frigate. Mainly because those did not come in the core set and would want the option of having more then one in a list.

The reason the Xwing core set was such a good idea is that even if you did not need all the stuff it was still cheep enough that just one thing not being needed was going to be. it would break you about even or even cost a little more but the utility of having the extra bits like dice and templates made it worth it. But with armada it cost so much if you are getting the second core for only half of the stuff then you are out 50$

The "two core set" issue will be settled if the individual items in the core set come with "need to have" cards.

Personally, I don't feel a need to have two sets, or duplicates of those items, but I will buy them if they have some super great cards that I need to have.

I really want a second

  • second articulated measurement tool
  • second range ruler

I really want a second

  • second articulated measurement tool
  • second range ruler

But is it really worth 100$ for this

I really want a second

  • second articulated measurement tool
  • second range ruler

But is it really worth 100$ for this

No.... its a plea to FFG to release them separately

And a second damage deck, because if you are playing with mates who don't own a copy of the game and you want to start playing a larger scale battle, I see a single damage deck running out rather quickly :/

1 Core + individuals from MM. My understanding is the standalone's will have unique cards, and I am unfortunately a completist.

-Cal