Ace and the Azzameens, Rebel Scum?

By R22, in X-Wing

I never played X-wing Alliance where Emon & co. show up but, from my understanding, isn't he a solidly Rebellion aligned individual? In which case, shouldn't he show up as a Rebel? Dash has less in the way of blatant Rebellion combat action yet he's a Rebel.

From a practical point of view I can see FFG saying Emon would end up giving the Rebels a Firespray so "scumming" him preserves the faction identities much better. Also, Dash's YT is in keeping with the large ship themes of giving Rebels YTs but still. Ace actually joins the Rebellion after all.

Note that I'm not actually bothered. Just curious. Does this mean Scum has some catch all flexibility going on that could see it hosting ships/people arguably aligned with other factions?

I missed out on Alliance, but what wookiepedia tells me is that the Azzameens were a independent trader family that kind of fell into working with the Rebels. Empire didn't take too kindly to the Azzameens having business dealings with Rebels and brought the hammer down on them. Lost their space station and much of their property. So they took shelter with the Alliance forces and worked with them while they struck back at their own enemies.

So yes, we'll see some flexibility here.

Edited by Bipolar Potter

I would have thought more Smugglers and Spies faction, he fits in more with a Han Solo than with a Black Sun.

Even though the villainy part sounds bad I don't think of scum and villainy as another bad guy faction. There are most definitely some bad people such as pirates but others are villains as labeled by the empire which also label the rebels as villains as sure. So I think this way we are going to be able to get a lot of nice neutralish characters.

I see it as a purely gameplay balance decision. Emon is closer to Rebel than Imperial and Scum. However that would mean that Rebels get a firespray, which would create cross pollination between the Empire and Rebels, the point of Scum is to allow such crossover and mixing in a limited regard.

I wouldn't want to see a Rebel Firespray. Still glad that Emon is in the game and part of Scum & Villainy.

Furthermore, as Atomic mentioned, I see Scum & Villainy as a catch all term for independent contractors and mercenaries. Don't forget that Han Solo was part of that "retched hive of scum & villainy" as Obi Wan called it.

Some of the Azzameens didn't have a whole lot of choice. Emon(if I remember right) never was a rebel, one of them was sympathetic to the rebel cause. None of the Azzameen's joined the cause until one of their competitors used their black suns contacts to frame them for being rebels.

I think the sister was the sympathizer, Emon didn't care, and Ace was kind of caught in the middle.

Ace Azzameen joined up with the Rebel Alliance while his brother Emon went independent to deal with their family "business" so would assume that he'd be a Rebel if FFG ever decided you use him. In a game like XWMG the idea that both siblings will end up on opposite ends of the board doesn't really bother me.

As for the S&V villainy faction I do feel that its a catch all label as well, which encompasses a variety of groups from those who operate independently to those with close ties to either the Rebels or the Empire without being officially associated with them. At the moment S&V is made up of independent scum like the Hutt cartel and Imp collaborators like the Black Sun and Bounty Hunters but I hope we'll eventually see some Rebel sympathizers like Talon Karrde and the Smugglers Alliance or the Terrik family.

Edited by Wraithdt

Ace Azzameen joined up with the Rebel Alliance while his brother Emon went independent to deal with their family "business" so would assume that he'd be a Rebel if FFG ever decided you use him. In a game like XWMG the idea that both siblings will end up on opposite ends of the board doesn't really bother me.

That's why Emon is S&V he wasn't being a nice person while systematically attacking Black Sun and destroying the rival company piece by piece. Also there are lots of people that attacked/rebelled against the imperials that weren't members of the rebel alliance(in the case of other rebels its because of their methods being too radical).

The Azzameens were technically just smugglers before joining the rebellion in XWA. They weren't aligned with either faction. I guess smugglers count as scum, but that's all just perspective.

I don't like the fact that people are trying to shoehorn in a "Smugglers & Spies" faction. S&V isn't necessarily evil, so we don't need a "good" side faction to balance it out. What's the big deal about even numbers? Sheesh.

arent there the 3 azzemen brothers one that worked for the empire, one that worked for rebels and the other one was the scum in the family ? thats why i think that we will see his 2 borthers joining as crew or even pilot cards for the empire and rebels ^^

Tomas Azzameen; head of the Azzameen family and co-founder of the Twin Suns Transport Services (KIA).

Antan Azzameen, Tomas's brother and co-founder of Twin Suns Transport Services.

Galin Azzameen (KIA), Emon Azzameen, Aeron Azzameen and Ace Azzameen were Tomas' kids.

The Azzameens operated a trading (and smuggling) company, and tried to stay out of the Galactic Civil War. Tomas however accepted a contract to supply the Rebels with bacta. This illegal activity was discovered by the Empire (due in part to the Azzameen's rivals, Viraxo Industries), and the Empire seized the Azzameen's assets, killing Tomas & Galin in the process.

Antan - who was at Twin Suns station at the time the Empire arrived - was captured by the Imperial forces.

Aeron (who was sympathetic to the Rebellion) persuaded Ace and Emon to seek shelter with the Rebellion. Ace became a Rebel pilot, while Emon (who had always been a loose cannon) pursued an individual vendetta against both Viraxo Industries and the Empire.

Antan eventually betrayed Tomas' kids to the Empire, apparently in exchange for a pardon.

I originally expected us to see the Azzameens as part of the Rebel faction, but S&V makes much more sense. Even during Ace and Aeron's time with the Rebels, it was always a case of "family first" - they would continue their efforts to find out what happened to their family (and strike back at the Viraxo) whenever they had an opportunity.

Edited by FTS Gecko

S&V isn't necessarily evil, so we don't need a "good" side faction to balance it out.

I suppose we don't need a 'good' faction, but:

A. Villainy is pretty much synonymous with evil.

B. The imperials consider and call the rebels 'scum', so I am not sure that term is really useful as a label to guess at what types of characters should be in a faction.

Edited by benbaxter

Well i guess the Imperials would view everyone in the new faction as Scum, while the Rebels would view people fighting only for themselves as Villians., so really its just the names combined.

I could see Aeron and Ace being added to the game as YT-1300 pilots/crew for the S&V faction somewhere down the road with title cards for the Selu and Sabra. Who knows, maybe they are thinking of bringing us the YT-2000 at some point for this faction.