It's just quite greedy.

So expecting people to pay for the toys they want to play with is greedy? It's amazing what some people think is greedy.

It's just quite greedy.

So expecting people to pay for the toys they want to play with is greedy? It's amazing what some people think is greedy.

*to pay twice

Just wanted to add, I think the main thing that is driving this discussion is the fact that there's never been the scenario before where you're buying duplicates of minis you already own just to get pilot cards/dials/tiles. This was an established practice for getting extra upgrade cards though.

It's interesting to compare the two, buying for just an upgrade vs buying for just a dial/pilot/tile. It's strange because you're actually getting much less when you're buying just for an upgrade, so it seems like people see that and they can decide right then that they either are willing or not willing to pay full price just for an upgrade.

For the other case you have people buying the expansion planning on using all of the components except the mini, it's more value than the upgrade card buyer is getting but it's not enough for them to be able to fully justify it. Most likely this is because it is the miniature itself which is being viewed as as worthless but normally most people view as being the most tangibly valuable part when buying an expansion...

Hmm lost where I was going but basically it seems like you need to be either committed enough to having all those ships available to you for both factions or decide you can live without 14 Z's or 10 Y's or what have you. The latter of which is the side I'm firmly on at the moment, there's enough squad options as is, and it's only growing as time goes by. I'll probably pick up one of each to start and add as needed but I feel like too many people feel pressured into buying ships they'll never actually fly just for the sake of having the option.

*to pay twice

And you're paying twice for what exactly?

You get the model, you get the cards, you get the dials... I don't see anything you're paying twice for.

To reiterate - I don't think its a big deal, I just don't think its as customer friendly as they could have been. I don't want this to get over blown.

Just wanted to add, I think the main thing that is driving this discussion is the fact that there's never been the scenario before where you're buying duplicates of minis you already own just to get pilot cards/dials/tiles. This was an established practice for getting extra upgrade cards though.

It's interesting to compare the two, buying for just an upgrade vs buying for just a dial/pilot/tile. It's strange because you're actually getting much less when you're buying just for an upgrade, so it seems like people see that and they can decide right then that they either are willing or not willing to pay full price just for an upgrade.

For the other case you have people buying the expansion planning on using all of the components except the mini, it's more value than the upgrade card buyer is getting but it's not enough for them to be able to fully justify it. Most likely this is because it is the miniature itself which is being viewed as as worthless but normally most people view as being the most tangibly valuable part when buying an expansion...

Hmm lost where I was going but basically it seems like you need to be either committed enough to having all those ships available to you for both factions or decide you can live without 14 Z's or 10 Y's or what have you. The latter of which is the side I'm firmly on at the moment.

It's just the wastefulness that irks me - having 6 Y-Wings but knowing I can't use them all together. I'm happy to buy lots of the toys to get lots of the upgrades (I have spent around £700 on this game so far to that end).

*to pay twice

And you're paying twice for what exactly?You get the model, you get the cards, you get the dials... I don't see anything you're paying twice for.

You're paying twice in that you're buying two Y-Wings to field only one at once.

it seems like you need to be either committed enough to having all those ships available to you for both factions or decide you can live without 14 Z's or 10 Y's or what have you.

You're paying for what you want to have.

If you want to be able to fly 6 S&V Z-95's you need to buy 3 packs of MW. If you want to fly 4 S&V Y-Wings you need 2 packs. If you want 2 S&V HWKS you need 2 packs, ect...

I fail to see how the fact that you already bought something completely different matters in the least here.

Plus that you get enough cards, dials, ect... to use 1 extra Rebel Y-Wing, 1 HWK-290 and 1 Firespray as a S&V ship effectively for free. Since you're already getting 3 ships for $5 then 3 expansions would cost.

You're paying twice in that you're buying two Y-Wings to field only one at once.

Sorry but I don't follow.

There's enough Dials, base cards, pilot cards, ect... To use 2 Y-Wings in the MW pack. So you're getting extra already. You will need another Y-Wing model, but if you already have a Rebel Y-Wing then there is nothing more to buy.

What FFG want is to maximise profit, by getting people to buy multiples of the mini just to get different cards. Fine, that's their right as a business. It's just quite greedy.

Except that isn't the case. It's a different mini. It isn't like a booster pack where you have buy things blind over and over hoping to get the one card you want.

The reason this keeps getting brought up (a dozen threads since most wanted was announced, maybe?) is because people keep mistakenly thinking of most wanted as a Y-Wing and Z-95 aces pack.

IT ISN'T!!!

This is an introductory pack for the scum faction. Everything in it is for Scum & Villainy. Expecting rebel pilots or dials in this pack is no different than expecting rebel only cards in the lambda shuttle pack, or expecting an astromech upgrade in the TIE fighter pack. These are 2 S&V ships, the fact that they happen to share the same sculpt as a couple of rebel ships is just a coincidence of the background.

Most Wanted is a Scum & Villainy expansion pack. Nothing exclusive to the other factions was ever going to be included in it.

You're paying twice in that you're buying two Y-Wings to field only one at once.

Sorry but I don't follow.There's enough Dials, base cards, pilot cards, ect... To use 2 Y-Wings in the MW pack. So you're getting extra already. You will need another Y-Wing model, but if you already have a Rebel Y-Wing then there is nothing more to buy.

You're buying an extra Y-Wing model, which you can't use with Rebels, that's what strikes me as wasteful. In order to field two Y-Wings in either faction you have to buy a minumum of three. I just think it's a shame that when I've got 6 Y-Wings I can't field them all at once.

The reason this keeps getting brought up (a dozen threads since most wanted was announced, maybe?) is because people keep mistakenly thinking of most wanted as a Y-Wing and Z-95 aces pack.

IT ISN'T!!!

This is an introductory pack for the scum faction. Everything in it is for Scum & Villainy. Expecting rebel pilots or dials in this pack is no different than expecting rebel only cards in the lambda shuttle pack, or expecting an astromech upgrade in the TIE fighter pack. These are 2 S&V ships, the fact that they happen to share the same sculpt as a couple of rebel ships is just a coincidence of the background.

Most Wanted is a Scum & Villainy expansion pack. Nothing exclusive to the other factions was ever going to be included in it.

That's not what I'm thinking at all. Like I said, I just think it's a shame having bought several of the same mini (and it is the same mini) that you can't use them all at once. Simple.

mazz0, you have the math wrong. You only need 8 models in order to field 5 Rebel Y-wings or 5 Scum Y-wings.

As for it not being "customer friendly", look at how much card board is included. Who knows how much the cost would increase if they included another cardboard sheet. Looking at the Decimator and StarViper, FFG will obviously adjusts the costs as needed.

Sorry guys, I didn't realise this had been discussed to death before (I should have assumed, come to think of it).

okay, it is the same mini. From a certain point of view. And that point of view is wrong.

As for it not being "customer friendly", look at how much card board is included. Who knows how much the cost would increase if they included another cardboard sheet. Looking at the Decimator and StarViper, FFG will obviously adjusts the costs as needed.

Like I said, I don't think it's awful, Just not ideal. There's no escaping the fact that you end up with mor minis of the same ship than you can field in one go, I just think it would have been nice to take advantage of its being the same mini and help everyone get the most out of it.

You don't see me complaining about getting more than my preferred 3 A-wings when I pick up Rebel Aces. Early adopters will be screwed a bit as FFG revisits older ships, as most of the time, it will come with a repaint.

You don't see me complaining about getting more than my preferred 3 A-wings when I pick up Rebel Aces. Early adopters will be screwed a bit as FFG revisits older ships, as most of the time, it will come with a repaint.

But you haven't ended up with more A-Wings than you can, theoretically, use in one game (playing one side).

It was only a little complaint, I'm not having a massive rant!

Most Wanted gives me, for free (assuming I already have the ships for the Rebels/Imperials), 1 y-wing, 1 Hwk, and 1 Firespray expansion for the Scum faction. That is an incredible bargain. While FFG didn't make this completely favorable to the consumer by including the things mentioned in the OP, the sheer value of this set compared to other sets makes me extremely happy with the deal. Normally I pay $45 MSRP for 3 ships. Now I pay $40 for 3 ships PLUS pilot cards, dials, etc. for 2 other small ships and 1 large ship. For an X-winger on a budget I couldn't be happier.

It's a very fair criticism that you'll end up with too many ships that you can use on one side compared to the number of dials, but Most Wanted is already such a good deal I am okay with not asking for even more. Just my two cents.

There's no escaping the fact that you end up with mor minis of the same ship than you can field in one go

I get what you're saying, but I don't agree. It's not like I can use every mini I own every game. So I'm always going to have more than I can use.

It is a PoV I suppose, I don't consider the Y-Wing or Z-95 that come in MW as just a Y-Wing or just a Z-95, they're S&V Y-Wings and Z-95's. I'm not buying them because I want more Y's and Z's, I'm buying them because I want S&V ships.

Also if they included rebel cards, they'd have to include rebel base plates and rebel dials. This is no longer cheap and easy, as they'd have to reprint the base cards. They'd also have to include the same for the HWK and Firespray...

So you are now looking at nearly double the amount of cardboard in the box, which is already a great deal, considering what you're getting for the price.

Hey don't get me wrong (which is obviously gonna be difficult given what I posted here ), I'm well looking forward to Most Wanted, particularly flying Firepsrays with ICT escorts.

Mostly the problem is my OCD, it just irritates me knowing I've got more models than I can use in one squad! I'd happily pay a few extra quid just to get those extra cards and dials, to make the numbers match!

Heh, maybe if I e-mail FFG's legendary customer relations team! Or e-bay!

How can you not field 3 ships at a time? The box comes with 3 ships. What is the problem? Buying 2 boxes? Well, then you get 4 SCUM Z-95 and 2 SCUM Y-Wing. According to http://xwing-builder.co.uk/build - you can field those 6 ships with nothing, and end up at 84/100 - what's the problem?

On the bright side as well, by making the S&V cheapest Firspray >33 points they've saved me from needing to buy a third Slave One and Most Wanted set, since frankly I don't see myself ever running Imperial Firsprays when there are Scum ones to pick!

How can you not field 3 ships at a time? The box comes with 3 ships. What is the problem? Buying 2 boxes? Well, then you get 4 SCUM Z-95 and 2 SCUM Y-Wing. According to http://xwing-builder.co.uk/build - you can field those 6 ships with nothing, and end up at 84/100 - what's the problem?

Nono, we were on about fielding every Y-Wing or Z-95 model you own as either faction. As soon as you've bought the Scum versions you've got more models than you can field as Rebels (although you'll not have that problem with fielding them as Scum, if you match numbers with your Rebel expansions).