It just occurred to me that apart from one list running Etan with some Zs and Wes, I haven't seen a lot of E-Wings being fielded. I'm kind of curious to know why that is, as I see Defenders more than I do EWs.

Is it the cost? They're about as pricey as a defender. They have a more conventional dial but better actions, and only for the cost of one hull point.

Is it the dial? Does the lack of the amazing 4-white K-turn mean the cost isn't worth the fighter after all?

Could it just be my local group?

On paper this is a great fighter. Advanced Sensors with an astromech slot? All it's missing is a cannon to make it the greatest fighter the rebels have!.... in theory. So, what gives? Why isn't this appearing more often?

They're not bad, but they are certainly an expensive option to field. Generic B's and X's are usually a better choice than generic E's, and if you field a named E, outside of am E'than/Z swarm you're likely to be straying into Rebel 3 ship territory, which can be fun to play, but carries a big risk.

A tooled up Corran Horn can easily reach Falcon level, points wise.

Generics are overcosted by about 3 points? (Major Juggler)

Corran is pretty decent though. And he can be VI'ed to PS10 to hunt Phantoms.

At 27pts for the basic you could get a lot more utility out of a different ship. Dagger w/ Ion. Red w/ R2D2. Green w/ PTL, Hull, Refit, Oppotunist/Expose. Grey w/ Ion, Flechette. The E-Wing has the best parts of a number of Rebel Fighters it's problem is absorbing the role of what it would be replacing point-for-point. The Defender on the other hand is competing with the BH and the Lambda for a Cannon Carrier and being a small base it fits more comfortably with the other Imperial ships.

2-2 vs. Vesseri & VI & SD + Doomshutle & FCS + Soontir & PTL & TC & SD.

Etahn & PTL & AdS + R2 astro

Blackmoon & R3-A2 & FCS

Bandit Z-95

Proto A & Chardaan

It's better on the table (BR is the most valuable action in my book) than on paper. Imho Blackmoon with ur fav upgrades can be quite an asset.

Generics are overcosted by about 3 points? (Major Juggler)

Corran is pretty decent though. And he can be VI'ed to PS10 to hunt Phantoms.

I don't see how they are over-costed, for 6 points more than a rookie you get:

+1 green dice

Evade action

Barrel roll action

Sensor slot

Trades a hull for a shield

Slightly better dial

At the cost of -1 PS and +6 points

Seems like a good deal to me

It is because they are horrendously ugly.

I've won my last 8 tourney games in a row, all with Corran. The generics are pretty awful, but both named pilots are worth a go. If you field them you really need to use that upgrade bar.

Nobody else really runs them around here.

Named e-wings are good the generics suck, rebels have cheaper three attack ships that push out the e-wing.

They also have the a-wing if they want a fast flanker and now aces has hit they are the right price and boast two ept.

Where a bare 30 point defender can still be a threat an e-wing without ptl and a droid not so much.

The named E-wings with the right upgrades can solo kill 4+ TIE's reliably. It's true that any generic 3-dice ship can be a threat to a poorly-flown or poorly-built Corran and Etahn , but that's just the nature of red dice. In an actual game, with competently-built lists, Corran has builds can solo any other ship in the game. And that's not based on luck. It's a near-guarantee after you've killed a few of your opponent's ships.

In my games against my regular opponent Corran versus any other single ship is "Do you want to play again?" because he's won.

My biggest complaint is that they are so expensive that you only have a limited set of lists where they can work. I think this is why you don't see them very often.

Did you miss that bit right at the start where I said named pilots were good?

I'm currently looking to fill out a Corran/Jake list. The issue is the points for me. I want 2 more decent ships, but with a well built Corran, I've got room for 1 more, or 2 Zs.

i have outflown a full health firespray with etahn, and won the day. e-wings are great.

Great as they may be, and I concede that, they're still ugly.

Generics low PS can't take advantage of their manoeuvrability much and usually can't be used to their full potential because of this. Both named are good, but have lots of competition at their point costs

The generics cost in the named x/ upgraded b wing territory and those represent better options. I imagine blackmoon might have been more viable prior to wave 4 when Ps wasn't so important

Generics low PS can't take advantage of their manoeuvrability much and usually can't be used to their full potential because of this. Both named are good, but have lots of competition at their point costs

I don't know, I feel similarly about the PS1 E-Wing as I do the PS1 Defender, in that they're great for blocking. I can throw that ship in someone's face and I don't really have to worry about it surviving. Now, I'm not going to block an entire TIE Swarm, or anything with a Proton Bomb (because I guarantee I'd pull a Direct Hit), but an E-Wing with minimal upgrades makes for a real solid, highly aggressive ship. The problem for me is knowing what else to take with it, honestly. I usually fly Imperial, so my instinct is to either go overboard with Headhunters or take a YT.

I think we have seen less conversation about them because they aren't that hard to figure out.

Great Names Pilots, great (but not crazy stat line)

Droids and Systems upgrade options make them the most upgradeable ship in the game IMO.

You haven't seen many threads about them because they are good, but we are all pretty much in agreement about it.

The Defender on the other hand, is more expensive, both its named pilots have abilities that are hard to trigger, and the dial is very different from what people are used to.

While I generally agree that the generic E-wing pilots are too expensive, I don't see that as the biggest problem. No, instead I find that to bring out the full potential of any E-wing, you need to start equipping it with a lot more stuff, which will bring an already expensive ship up to ludicrous cost.

Vessery isn't hard to trigger really if you give him VI, rexler is going to trigger less often but when he does its pretty devastating and fleet officer will let him trigger far more frequently.

Thing is their pilot abilities are free you pay for the PS and as i've seen myself two defenders with HLC shooting at PS8 are lethal.

Eatin a boat is a good booster for a swarm, corran if allowed to can make a real mess of even big ships they both have their niche and fill it well but the generics are just competing with too many other solid rebel ships.

By comparison no imperial ship flies like the defender generics.

Generics are overcosted by about 3 points? (Major Juggler)

Corran is pretty decent though. And he can be VI'ed to PS10 to hunt Phantoms.

I don't see how they are over-costed, for 6 points more than a rookie you get:

+1 green dice

Evade action

Barrel roll action

Sensor slot

Trades a hull for a shield

Slightly better dial

At the cost of -1 PS and +6 points

Seems like a good deal to me

In a word, math. Its stats vs cost is such that to break even with a "baseline" ship like the TIE Fighter, it needs to do around 62% more damage before it dies, than what would be predicted by its 3/3/2/3 stat line alone. The E-wing has great upgrades and dial, but not enough to increase its combat effectiveness by more than half.

Corran of course, is a whole other animal with his ability. Etahn is also OK, but I think he is slightly overcosted.

I like Etahn...his ability is kinda borked.

I like Etahn...his ability is kinda borked.

You need more than three ships for it to really shine.

I've been considering them (the generics I mean) for the upcoming 300 point game I'm going to be in, and I just can't justify the points for Knaves and Blackmoons. For 27 points I can put Tycho with PtL on the board! Sure I'm dropping an attack die and a hull, but dang his ability is going to make him amazing. On the other hand, I'm running E'Tahn with tons of stuff on him alongside my transport with General Dodonna onboard. THAT IS AWESOME! I can run Blues with HLC's that hit for two crits every turn! OH MY GOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!!

So in conclusion, the generics are bad, but Corran and E'Tahn are amazeballs.

I can run Blues with HLC's that hit for two crits every turn! OH MY GOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!!

I thought that HLC's could never crit, even with Etahn?