Yeah, I forgot to mention that indeed shipwreck, because I too deem that important. Were they forced into war or did their heart really belong to money or the Dark Lord? It is a question that'll remain unanswered but non the less important for motives.

"That moment when you wished your favorite author only died after he finished his work"

Also, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you here. In a way, I'm glad Tolkien left unfinished. He passed before he could suck. Think about how many artists, musicians, writers, film-makers, etc, who just drag things on for way too long. I don't know that Tolkien would have inevitably fallen into that trap, had he published younger or lived longer, because he was so self-critical and meticulous. Even so, I appreciate that there are so many gaps and unexplained legends.

:We've got a badass over here.

I will answer with a quote: 'People have to live with one great injustice all the time: the definite end of things.'

-The Dalai Lama

I cannot but elaborate a bit on this. With Tolkien dead, there never will be any more stories from him about ME whatsoever. That is really sad. Of course I actually don't wanr answers to all my questions, but even.for the posibility to a new tale or anything is kinda sad. That may even be one of the biggest reasons why I play LotR LCG, just fooling the mind 'yeah it's a new story!', works really well.

next question

The dragons were a creation of Morgoth, but after Morgoth, were they all destroyed like the Balrogs (except a few like Smaug and Durins Bane)? And were did they live the most? What do we know about them? I read somewhere somthing about a colddrake, so I assume there are different species? Do.dlthey live in the lands above Gundabad and Angmar?

Yes, I've been wondering this myself, about dragons. Should we expect to see one in The Lost Realm expansion?

After Morgoth I believe that Dragons lived and bred in a place called the Withered Heath which was North of Erebor on the Eastern most part of the Grey Mountains. The Dwarves once had a large colony in the Grey Mountains (Durin's Folk, I think in the Second age? perhaps the First age as well?) but due to constant attack from dragons in general they migrated to (if I can remember correctly) The Iron Hills and Erebor and abandoned all their mines and strongholds etc. Then Smaug (who I'm pretty sure is from the Withered Heath and only a few thousand years old and not at all created by Morgoth) came down to Erebor and took it for himself.

So there are almost definitely still some dragons left as the Grey Mountains were utterly abandoned by the third age by the Dwarves and I doubt anyone ventured up there specifically to slay dragons. They are probably only Colddrakes which are much smaller than Firedrakes (Smaug is one of these).

Considering that The Lost Realm and Angmar Awakened are taking place in the area that was once Arnor and Angmar (which is at the Western most point of the Grey Mountains and very far from the Withered Heath) I doubt there will be any dragons or drakes in that cycle. I guess that there could be some in Western parts of the Grey Mountains though... especially in the third age where there are no dwarves left to eat on the Eastern end!

I found this awesome picture from The One Ring RPG that depicts a Dwarven Watch Tower in the Withered Heath that has been abandoned for a long time. I wonder if any Colddrakes live inside it now!!

There may be a dragon in The One Ring RPG

Psycho hit most of what we know about the big lizards. My personal thought is that they diminished in power after Morgoth was defeated, and/or the most powerful ones were destroyed in the War of Wrath. The word 'worm' is used in later ages (as in Scatha the Worm) so I expect those dragons were more like Glaurung in that they could not fly, and so were somewhat more manageable. I also believe that's why Smaug was such a big deal: the last of the great winged dragons.

What do you guys see Utumno being like? I always imagine it as a sort of hell on earth due to the satanic nature of Morgoth. I've seen some artwork of it but it has never quite lived up to my imagination.

Sadly I have no real idea about Utumno..

I have some new questions! Creature Feature

Do we really now if there are different kinds of Wargs? Like Gundabad Wargs or Isengard Wargs? No right?

I think it is an adaption of PJ. But on the other hand, I don't see why it is not possible. Species living in different locations can show genetic differences, but then would Wargs be something to be seen as a name for a group of species like 'wolves' or 'doglike mammals' or more as 'Eurasian Wolf' or 'Eurasian Fox'?

What are Fell Beasts? (if they even really carry that name?)

What creatures towed Grond to the gates of Minas Tirith?

How many different kind of Olog-Hai are there?

What happened to all the creatures commanded by Sauron after his defeat?

Especially to the werewolves, as Gandalf suggested (somewhere?) they survived into the Third Age.

Anyhow, if you know anything about the creatures of ME, post it!

Does someone know what 'earth' or 'ground' would be in Sindarin?

Do we really now if there are different kinds of Wargs? Like Gundabad Wargs or Isengard Wargs? No right?

I think it is an adaption of PJ. But on the other hand, I don't see why it is not possible. Species living in different locations can show genetic differences, but then would Wargs be something to be seen as a name for a group of species like 'wolves' or 'doglike mammals' or more as 'Eurasian Wolf' or 'Eurasian Fox'?

Getting into this 'creature' stuff, I've not thought at length about it but I believe, as you say, that a lot of primary world zoology can be applied. So, as you say, I don't see why there would not be different strands of wargs. One of the distinctions between wargs and plain old wolves is that wargs are more intelligent and able to speak their own language. With that in mind, I don't see why there wouldn't be different 'cultures' almost, in the same way that we see distinctions between the orcs of, say, Mordor and the orcs of Mountains -- both in appearance and ways.

What are Fell Beasts? (if they even really carry that name?)

What creatures towed Grond to the gates of Minas Tirith?

How many different kind of Olog-Hai are there?

What happened to all the creatures commanded by Sauron after his defeat?

Especially to the werewolves, as Gandalf suggested (somewhere?) they survived into the Third Age.

I've always taken the Fell Beasts to be Sauron's lesser version of the dragons. If the dragons were bred by Morgoth, surely Sauron would want to mimic his master. So he tried to make winged creatures of terror but fell short of the mark, being a lesser person than the real Enemy.

I think the same applies to the rest of Sauron's servants. They are evil creatures, probably mutilated and reformed by Sauron from wild animals of distant lands that we don't see in the texts. Maybe oliphaunts? As such they were all, either in spirit or by fear, bound to Sauron. When the Ring is destroyed the orcs and trolls and the rest all flee in terror; we can assume any other critters did the same. I would expect that most found some quiet corner of Mordor or elsewhere to hide and brood in much the same way that the Balrogs (and, I suppose, the werewolves) did after the War of Wrath, there to lie in wait for adventurers of later tabletop games to engage.

The Orcs and Trolls are slightly different in that they seem to have their own ways when they are not under the direct subjugation of the Shadow. So, like the bits we get from three trolls of The Hobbit and the Grishnak in Rings, I think the orcs and trolls 'setup shop' on their own terms. Robbing, killing, and so on, to their own liking and independently.

As far the types of trolls, I have no idea. The One Ring RPG has a few different classifications like Stone-trolls, Hill-trolls, Cave-trolls, Bog-trolls, and so on. I would refer back to we said about the orcs and wargs -- the differences are largely in appearance with mild variances in their ways. They are still the same 'people'.

So there's a wide shot, but hopefully it's helpful

Does someone know what 'earth' or 'ground' would be in Sindarin?

Talaf , maybe?

http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/sindar/online/sindar/dict-en-sd.html

Thanks shipwreck!

I was hoping you would answer my Sindarin question!

Hmm, thank you for your answer on the Wargs. I find them the most awesome creatures of ME. They are so fascinating!

For Trolls, we do know that there are different kinds of Trolls right? At least I thought there was some mentioning of Hill-Trolls and Cave-Trolls, but I may be wrong.

Yes, IMO PJ depicted Fell Beasts rightly in most ways.

PJ also depicted some sort of rhinos in front of Grond, but anything could be. Even Oliphaunts, although I think that less likely, because otherwise I think the response of the Gondorian soldiers would have been different on the arrival of the Haradrim.

Anyway, thanks for your answers!

This thread needs to be brought back to top of discussion :-)

Question: what do we know about the Woodmen? Are they descending from the Nortmen like the Rohirrim?

Woodmen were a race of Men distantly related to the Edain who, by the Third Age, inhabited the western portion of Mirkwood forest.

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I'm sorry, was there a restriction that you must possess the knowledge to answer the question?

It's too easy to pull an 'offended' tone out of you, JC. That wasn't meant to be a reprimand.

Just cite the source, if you post it like that it seems like you're passing it off as your own words.

Offended? I just asked a question about the thread rules.

real slick

have a nice day

Yeah. Accused me in passing first link of google as my own knowledge, and then accused me in getting offended about it. You're a real cutie to have around

Jeez, he's correct JC. You come across as offended or attacking in nearly every post you make. Just don't be so defensive.

Anyway, I have always wondered about the relationship between the wooden and the beornings. Is there one?

They both have wicked beards.

Duke, I was offended only in a single thread, where I was attacked despite numerous disclaimers.

Here, on the other hand, I was just curious. Because I gave GrandSpleen a benefit of doubt: you need to be a pretty not bright of a person to assume that somebody is trying to pass first google search result as his own knowledge. But he did, and I'm not going to make the same mistake again. Or treat him well, either.

Seems like the worst possible response.

The most just thing to do. Treat people like those people treat you.