Cowall & Stay on Target

By dvorm, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Cowall has stay on target. Both his pilot ability and SoT trigger at the same time. The player may choose to resolve them in any order he likes. Say he chooses to resolve SoT first and the pilot ability second. Is the following legal?

Reveal 3 K-turn, rotate to 3 bank left via SoT, then treat the 3 bank left as speed 1 via pilot ability. Resolve a 1 bank left.

In other words: Does Cowall gain access to the 1 straight and bank maneuvers?

Remember the discussions and FAQ ruling about Fettigator.

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Edited by dvor

I'd say no.

The card says when you reveal a K-turn, but you're no longer performing a K-turn you're performing a bank, so his ability no longer is valid. You've effectively revealed a new maneuver by using SoT which is not a k-turn, so Cowall's ability is no longer in effect.

Edited by VanorDM

Simultaneous abilties both trigger and can be resolved in any order. If Tetran reveals anything that isn't a K turn then he can trigger SoT but his ability does not trigger (it triggers on K-turn reveals). If Tetran reveals a K turn he can change his K turn speed and then SoT to a different maneuver of the same speed, as per FAQ precedent.

However, the FAQ also specifies (see SoT ruling) that "that maneuver" and "your maneuver" are different things. Tetran's ability only applies to a revealed K turn: he can change the speed of the K turn he reveals on his dial. He can't SoT to a 3 bank and then treat it as a speed 1 maneuver. If Tetran SoTs first then changing the speed of his revealed K turn doesn't do anything.

Edited by TIE Pilot

However, the FAQ also specifies (see SoT ruling) that "that maneuver" and "your maneuver" are different things.

Good point :)

Cowall also uses "that maneuver" referring to the K-Turn, if you are no longer performing that maneuver then his ability can't trigger.

However, the FAQ also specifies (see SoT ruling) that "that maneuver" and "your maneuver" are different things. Tetran's ability only applies to a revealed K turn: he can change the speed of the K turn he reveals on his dial. He can't SoT to a 3 bank and then treat it as a speed 1 maneuver. If Tetran SoTs first then changing the speed of his revealed K turn doesn't do anything.

I think this nails it. The reason Stay on Target needed the errata is because "that maneuver" refers to what it was changed to, and Navigator moves to a different one which is no longer red. I think Cowall turns the K-turn into a 1-speed K-turn, but only changes the K-turn.

You could use the combination to go from a 5-speed K-turn to a 1-speed turn, but I don't think it can get to maneuvers that aren't on the dial.

Stay on target says to "rotate your dial to another maneuver"

So if I were judging the answer is only moves on your ships dial.

Which is correct. Stay on target is still restricted by what's on the actual dial. The only exception is via Cowall's ability which gives him a unique speed-1 K-Turn, but he has to reveal a K-turn to start with.

Which is correct. Stay on target is still restricted by what's on the actual dial. The only exception is via Cowall's ability which gives him a unique speed-1 K-Turn, but he has to reveal a K-turn to start with.

So the question is if revealing is different from "your maneuver" So if Cowall does a 3 Right turn then SoT to 3K turn. Would Sot be considered the same as "revealing" thus allowing Cowall to treat it as a 1K turn, or completely different keeping it a 3 K turn?

I think we can agree that Cowall's ability cannot be used to adjust speed on any maneuvers only K turns, so Sot will have to go first and it will have to be a K-turn if using Cowall's ability.

My gut feeling is there is only one revealed maneuver. Anything after that is modifying it.

You reveal a K-turn, and Cowall can change the speed to a 1, 3 or 5 K-turn. If you then use SoT, you rotate to something with the same speed, which at speed-1 is just a left or right turn, and at speed-5 is just a straight.

If you reveal a 3 bank or turn and use SoT to change to a K-turn, you haven't actually revealed the K-turn, you've modified to it. So I would say Cowall's trigger conditions are no longer there, because he's revealed something other than a K-turn. So no speed change.

That's the way I see it.

That gies contrary to every other ability that can alter the revealed maneuver. The only thing that changed with the SoT erratta was that the end maneuver is red rather that the one you rotate to with SoT, which could then ve further altered to another maneuver thatvwas not red.

My gut feeling is there is only one revealed maneuver. Anything after that is modifying it.

I once was of this opinion as well. How ever it has been ruled otherwise for quit a while as evidenced by the "Fettigator". Both Boba Fett (imperial version) and navigator act on the "revealed" maneuver. How ever, the FAQ states Fett can rotate to any bank if he reveals a bank and has navigator. Thus what ever new maneuver is choosen with an ability is form there on considered to be the "revealed maneuver".

OK, I missed any of the "Fettigator" debates. I see how that combo works and haven't seen any problems with that. Maybe someone could kindly fill me in on what the issue was, as the FAQ doesn't clarify anything for me. I would have played that exactly how it's stated as it seems the most logical because nothing is altering the fact that it's still a bank that was chosen. Obviously there was a contradiction by some.

So with Cowall and SoT, the consensus would be that you could use SoT to change a 3 turn to a 3 K-turn, and then it would be the new revealed maneuver, which Cowall could then change the speed to 1 or 5?

Yes that is the consensus. The Fettigator FAQ clarifies that when either Navigator or Fett changes a revealed maneuver, that becomes the new revealed maneuver, that can then be altered by the next ability. Which is why the Fettigator works. Otherwise both abilities would have worked off of the initial maneuver revealed, and only one would end up affecting what you actually execute.

I believe there was a thread this summer where SoT was also discussed, when it was spoiled. In that debate it was argued that if you used Navigator or Fett after SoT, you could end up with a white or even green maneuver.

With the new Errata, the end result will always be red.