Nera Dantels sans ordinance

By PhantomFO, in X-Wing

There's been lots of talk about builds for Nera that use her ability, but I'm curious if anyone has tried her without it. For one more point, she's basically a Dagger with a higher PS and an EPT. I can see several options for her:

PTL, Advanced Sensors. A classic. Stress herself out, then clear it with a green.

Sensor Jammer, Opportunist. Why give Keyan all the Opportunist fun? For 33 points, anyone with a higher PS in her arc has to decide if they want to lose a hit when they shoot her, or give her an extra attack die when she shoots back.

Marksmanship, Gunner. You're punting defence for a harder-hitting primate attack, but only 34 points. If you're feeling daring, you could even add a FCS.

VI. A two point price bump to become a PS7 Dagger.

Edited by PhantomFO

I'm playing around with some builds that mainly focuses Keyan but has a second B-wing as well. Right now Ibby is filling the job but Nera is 3 points cheaper and Ibby's ability isn't worth that much more imo.

I dunno man. It's a bit like going to the grocery store and not buying cottage cheese or iced tea. You can't skip the essentials like that. For 4 points of flechette torpedoes, she becomes a royal pain in the ass.

I've been saying this since they announced her! Trying to make use of her ability is a waste of points you most often won't make much use of. But, she's a PS5 B wing with an EPT! Adv sensors and push, engine upgrade and push, draw their fire, predator, opportunist, wingman. So many great choices! Spending 4+ points for torpedoes, another for dead eye, four more for recon specialist... You can get a good flechette shot off with her, but she has the kind of pitfall trap ability that can just eat points of you're not careful. And IF you can fire all of your torps, your stuck with a horrendously overpriced B wing. PS5 EPT B wing though, I can get behind that.

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I've been running her with Swarm Tactics and Roark, so that I can push more people up the scale for cheaper. Its not the best use of her but its funny.

Simple question; why bother? PS5 doesn't really help in this meta, and B's don't really need an EPT that bad. Better off with the cheaper Blues. Or go 3 points more to get the insanely better Keyan.

Simple question; why bother? PS5 doesn't really help in this meta, and B's don't really need an EPT that bad. Better off with the cheaper Blues. Or go 3 points more to get the insanely better Keyan.

Oh, I don't know. Being able to slap Predator on her....

She makes a decent support B-Wing if you equip Decoy. PS5 is better than all unmodified Generics with exception of RGP. Personally I feel she should at least have a Flechette if you're not maximizing her ability. Having one would make your opponent think twice about K-Turn to get behind her (unless it's a TIE Defender).

her ability gets used in my build...but then she has Biggs near her for the first few rounds.

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For 2 points you get +1 PS and a EPT. That seems fair to me.

Sure PS5 isn't that great, but still better then Black Squad ties and most other generics so it's not worthless, and the EPT itself is nice.

I'd rather take her then say a Dagger with a Flechette Torp.

Predator with HLC is pretty nasty, and Nera is the cheapest pilot of any ship that can take both. I plan on trying that out when I eventually get Rebel Aces.

I think she'd be good with Opportunist--

I also think she'd be great with a single Proton Torpedo. Torpedoes have two things against them:

1. Cost

2. Setting up the shot

Nera pretty much eliminates #2, and regular Protons have a built in focus-like quality that would make the Deadeye/RecSpec thing not really necessary. Just Target Lock and fire.

I agree that her ability makes it a little too tempting to overload her, so either just one Proton or Advanced, or maybe two Flechettes. Possibly throw on Munitions Failsafe.

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She comes in my list with Advanced and Regular torpedoes, Dead eye and Munitions fail safe and has often made up for her cost! But in defense of others I regularly fly her with an Outer Rim Smuggler with Recon Specialists and 2 Bandits with Proton Rockets... I really like Ordinance :rolleyes:

She comes in my list with Advanced and Regular torpedoes, Dead eye and Munitions fail safe and has often made up for her cost! But in defense of others I regularly fly her with an Outer Rim Smuggler with Recon Specialists and 2 Bandits with Proton Rockets... I really like Ordinance :rolleyes:

How do you get the second focus to make APTs worthwhile?

Never really had the need... Good enough dice mostly!I have done the same list but put Airen Cracken in the mix instead of 2 bandits with some success!

She comes in my list with Advanced and Regular torpedoes, Dead eye and Munitions fail safe and has often made up for her cost! But in defense of others I regularly fly her with an Outer Rim Smuggler with Recon Specialists and 2 Bandits with Proton Rockets... I really like Ordinance :rolleyes:

How do you get the second focus to make APTs worthwhile?

Either give her Recon Specialist or pair her with Kyle or Garvin.

Simple question; why bother? PS5 doesn't really help in this meta, and B's don't really need an EPT that bad. Better off with the cheaper Blues. Or go 3 points more to get the insanely better Keyan.

Oh, I don't know. Being able to slap Predator on her....

Is Predator worth 6pts to you? Because paying the upgrade from a Blue to Nera just for an EPT if effectively paying 3pts more for the EPT. It is a very bad investment, and not one that is terribly terrifying to face down for a foe either.

Why not love her for both? If she had no EPT I'd say 'yeah, what's the point of taking her without Ord'. I'd swallow a stack of crit tokens to get a generic bomber with an EPT slot (owch, those are pokey). Nera is another pilot with an EPT and that's always a plus.

The thing is, for 2 points more than Nera you can just take Ibsitam. It's 2 points for her ability and +1 PS. I think if you have a choice between Nera and Ibby, you find 2 points elsewhere.

I've played Nera a few times because of her ability, and I think the trick is not to over spend on her ordnance. I usually take 2x flechette and FCS. You don't need Dead Eye or Recon Specialist. I use it to stress, and to take shots at the target of my previous attack that danced out of Arc. It's an opportunistic ability.

This is a very interesting discussion! I think that Nera Dantels is indeed viable without ordinance, though I prefer Keyan myself.

Well for one you pay for her ability as in the points is 2 more for only 1 pilot skill from a dagger. Or you could put 2 more points and play Ibtisam (although often people spend 1 more point for Farlander.

However with Nera's ability it is specifically with a certain upgrade. The only other card that does that is the Slave-1 title. Unlike Horton's ability which was ment for specific upgrades but can be use with others Nera's ability cannot be used with other upgrades.

Now it might be a fact that Nera's ability was meant to promote certain upgrades which have been relegated to being inefficient. However it is a disadvantage when not using abilities even once. It is common to forget to use a pilot ability and when you reflect on it you realize that it could have drastically effect the outcome of the game even if it were only a small thing like re-rolling a single defense dice.

I've been flying Nera lately in two different builds.

One is

Roark - Ion Turret

Airen Cracken - Swarm Tactics

Nera Daniels - Swarm Tactics - Flechette Torpedoes

Tarn - R7.

I have found that opponents don't like absorbing all my shots before they get to do anything. Works well against YT1300s and most Phantoms .Biggest issue is that swarms don't really care if you pot a ship or two before they get to shoot.

I realize that this has ordinance but with only two points invested it makes phantom pilots leery of coming in.

Second list.

Roark - Ion Turret

Airen Cracken - Swarm Tactics

Nera Daniels

Keyan Farlander.- Fire Control System

It doesn't flow as smooth but keyan is brutal in a knife fight. or you could just dump wedge into that 29 point hole I guess. Xwings are less fun to fly with just Focus and Target Lock. This list also suffers from the fact that Nera really could just be a Blue with Advanced sensors.

I feel like to get the most out of her you need to consider 5ish points of upgrades minimum and at that point (Predator plus Flechette).

A low cost B-wing with an EPT is always going to be worth it.

I've been playing around with PTL, Advanced sensors and engine upgrade - Keyan's the obvious candidate, but it works just fine on Nera too.

The ability to do a boost-barrel roll combo either before or after moving is pretty freakin stellar in my book - and well worth the stress if you aren't able to eat it like Keyan does

You could take them both with that loadout and still have points left for Cracken with squad leader which adds another dimension to the actions you can get out of the two Bs