A couple of newbie questions

By ultimax, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Hi, my play group recently had some newbie questions that we hope to get some clarification on. Thanks for any help in advance.

1. If something blanks the printed text box of a card, does the traits of that card still remain? An example would be if "frozen moat" blanks tyrion lannister, would he still retain his lord trait?

2. If a character agenda card (ie Quentyn Martell - VD) is in play as a agenda and you draw a 2nd copy of that card, can you doppleganger the agenda? I assume you cannot play that card as a character while the agenda is in play.

3. If a character has a attachment on it and is killed, can a player activate a triggered effect and move that attachment? For example, a character is attached with venomous manticore and is targeted to be killed by the event card terminal or is killed by claim, could the owner of venomous manticore activate the triggered effected and move the attachment?

1. It depends on the card doing the blanking. Some blanking effects will actually say "except for traits." If so, the trait stays. But without that text, the trait is part of the text box, so blanking the box removes the trait.

2. Agendas are NOT considered to be in play. Because of this, you cannot dupe the character agenda (because you can only dupe a unique card that is in play - since dupes are used to save cards from being removed from play, there'd be no benefit in duping a card that was not in play, anyway). However, since the agenda is neither in play nor in your dead pile, there would be nothing stopping you from playing your second copy of the character agenda.

3. For the most part, no. When an action or effect is initiated, you cannot initiate another until the first has resolved, passives and Responses are played, and all cards that were killed/discarded are removed from the table. So, if a character is killed, you won't have the chance to use a regular "Any Phase," "Challenges," etc. triggered effect to move an attachment from it before the kill effect is resolved and the attachment discarded. In fact, because the attachment is discarded passively when the character dies, you could only move it with an effect that "saves" it and then moves it. Anything else would come too late.

A couple of other wrinkles.

1) Certain cards (and card errata, see the FAQ) will reference whether a character has "printed {trait}." i think it was Ktom who coined the phrase "blanking doesn't physically scrub the ink off the card," so a blanked character may still have relevant traits even if they're not in effect.

2) to simplify: the only condition in the rulebook that keeps you from playing a unique character is if they're in your dead pile.

As an exercise, check out Targaryen's character agenda--what would happen with him if you had him as an agenda and also a copy in play?

3) funny story: Targaryen's character agenda had to be given an errata to clarify that it's a save effect, since it otherwise didn't work as printed. Check him out, he's interesting.

2) to simplify: the only condition in the rulebook that keeps you from playing a unique character is if they're in your dead pile.

This might be an overstatement. Having a copy of a unique character in play that you own or control is a condition in the rulebook that stops you from playing the unique character as well. There are exceptions for using duplicates, but when you play a duplicate, you are not considered to be playing the character.