Agreed, whafrog.

In my game, I play it that everyone is using the same thing... 'The Force', or whatever any given person wants to call it.

At my tables, I just insist on consistency of mechanics.

The characters can be as clueless as they like, the players need to trust in fair adjudication of the system. It is with that in mind that "behind the scenes" it is the Force insomuch as it follows the same Force rules that the Jedi-types use without any change but name and maybe special effects (this last bit has not actually come up except in idle conversation).

On a similar side note, I do require that any character that learns Force abilities beyond the most basic of levels MUST establish and adhere to a philosophy. Generally, despite obvious genetic links, I approach using the Force (by whatever name) more along the lines of a "martial art" as opposed to a "mutant power". Thus, there are established methods and moves and usually an attendant mindset rather than "just train and get better".

But that's me and my stories (as an old Mage: The Ascension guy).

Yes, but even in Mage: Ascension you had 'Orphans' and Mages who didn't have a philosophy.

I can see why some people will want a spiritual underpinning to Force powers, but I leave that up the player. Even the F&D Beta book has NPCs who use the Force to be a better merc or gambler or whatever. Our Exile just wants to stay alive and help her friends. Our Mystic feels she is doing the will of the spirits. Our soldier Emergent treats serving the Alliance as a religion. Our Force-sensitive Bounty Hunter fears she's possessed by demons and never uses her Force abilities.

But the great thing about a RPG is you can play it how you want. Even the canon is blurred in this regard. Many fans are happy simply with Kenobi's explanation of the Force.

Oh, I didn't intend to draw a direct correlation with Mage . I was just citing a bit of my own background.

I have never played Awakening and I never delved into the Orphans as I never played with anyone who cared to. But yes, they did exist.

I actually like the way F&D easily allows for Force traditions other than Jedi.

That's what I am hearing. Currently, I have an Exile who is in the process of forming his own tradition post Jedi-purge, in a way. He cited Bruce Lee developing jeet kune do as an inspiration.

So far, few of our characters have any real concept of Sith as a current thing (we are building off the limited understanding of the Jedi evidenced in the OT and the complete lack of mention of the Sith, despite one being in power and a second being his most famous representative). The two that do basically accept that they died with Maul and only one even considers that they could return.

The idea that the Jedi really did try to stage an unjust coup is still kind of a thing (although as we move toward AoR the "unjust" part is fading).

Interesting to see Jeet Kwon Do as an inspiration. Our Luke character (Lucas Lars) is basically a cross between Jesus and Bruce Lee, very Zen but also very practical.

And our Jedi faction are total jerks.

Biotic means life... life means the Force... " Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship." -- Yoda, Empire Strikes Back

It doesn't have to have another explanation, just might be something that Jedi never learned to harness when it came to their training in the Force.

I agree that it doesn't have to have an explanation, but the point I was making is that this "ichor," whatever it is, is local to the planet Dathomir and is the source of the Nightsisters' powers. And according to the storytellers, it is not the Force. That opens up whole new realms of possibility for me as a storyteller.

Unfortunately for all, Disney, the new gawds of all things Star Wars (whether we like it or not) has declared the Six Episodes, TCW and Rebels, and all things they produce from now on, Canon. Everything else EU (and wookiepedia) are not and can be changed at the discretion of Lucas Arts (owned by Disney for those not in the know, LA is who made the announcement) therefore if TCW says it is not the Force then it is not the Force. Now the beauty of RPGs is you can do whatever you please, but if you want to argue canon, this is it. That is until J.J. does another time warp thing and changes everything in Episode VII like he did for that other Sci Fi favorite of which we will not speak. LOL

I have a question then, as there's still an ongoing MMORPG out there that Lucas Arts (now owned by Disney) is still supporting. So does that mean everything in the Bioware's Old Republic games are canon as well? This whole reboot of what's real and isn't has gotten me (and my game notes) confused. I would think that if they removed it (SWTOR) from canon, they would have stripped the Star Wars name clean from it altogether (as people still pay Lucas Arts for this currently even after the announcement).

Unfortunately for all, Disney, the new gawds of all things Star Wars (whether we like it or not) has declared the Six Episodes, TCW and Rebels, and all things they produce from now on, Canon. Everything else EU (and wookiepedia) are not and can be changed at the discretion of Lucas Arts (owned by Disney for those not in the know, LA is who made the announcement) therefore if TCW says it is not the Force then it is not the Force. Now the beauty of RPGs is you can do whatever you please, but if you want to argue canon, this is it. That is until J.J. does another time warp thing and changes everything in Episode VII like he did for that other Sci Fi favorite of which we will not speak. LOL

I have a question then, as there's still an ongoing MMORPG out there that Lucas Arts (now owned by Disney) is still supporting. So does that mean everything in the Bioware's Old Republic games are canon as well? This whole reboot of what's real and isn't has gotten me (and my game notes) confused. I would think that if they removed it (SWTOR) from canon, they would have stripped the Star Wars name clean from it altogether (as people still pay Lucas Arts for this currently even after the announcement).

Basically anything that isn't Movies or TCW or Rebels falls under 'Legends.' In other words, they happened but the details are fuzzy and can be changed on a whim 'As we gain more understanding of what really happened.' Kinda like Marvel (and again, Disney) making a Norse God a wormhole jumping alien. (Hate that SO much)

The intent IMO is to keep the Fanboys (and girls) from blowing up the message boards when they suddenly decide, 'Thrawn wasn't actually a Chiss but a cleverly disguised Jar Jar who accidentally stumbled into a Star Destroyer and almost took over the galaxy by mistake.' (I made this up, for those who will jump on it and freak out.)

'Thrawn wasn't actually a Chiss but a cleverly disguised Jar Jar who accidentally stumbled into a Star Destroyer and almost took over the galaxy by mistake.'

If you're giving away secrets of the new SW movies can you please mark them as *SPOILERS*

What would the stats be for the Night Sisters Mother?

What would the stats be for the Night Sisters Mother?

Might want to take this over to the F&D section as it is more fitting with that book and its mechanics.

Okay so let's just put it this way.

Lucas made medichlorians a thing so anything after that we can just discard everything up to that a abomination. Night sisters we will just lump into plot and forget it even happened because even by Ventress own admission dooku killed them all so Cannon and ffg standards they no longer exist and that is done.