Whats the ruling on Shady dial etiquette?

By Amgyn, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Question regarding these two situations:

1) Your opponent flips his dial and its between 2 maneuvers? Once can be forgiven, but 2/3 times... ? what should you do?

2) Opponent would pick up one of his dials as I move my ships... and i cant be 100% sure, but i bet he changed it... Usually i announce - "i am just looking at the dial to remember the move i picked" (for similar skilled ships, or for a decloaking echo)...

Of course I can't be sure he is cheating, maybe its just sloppy table manners... but is there a rule somewhere about these two situations?

thanks.

From the FAQ's Competitive Rules section:

If a player reveals a dial that is stuck between two different maneuvers in such a way that it is impossible to determine which maneuver was selected, the player’s opponent chooses which of those two maneuvers that ship will perform.
...and...
After the Planning phase, if a player wishes to look at one of his dials, he must inform his opponent first. Manipulating dials after the Planning phase will not be tolerated.

Both of those are considered "competitive" rules that don't necessarily apply during a friendly game, but a lot of people play by them anyway. If you want to avoid the drama, say you want to start playing by the full set of competitive rules to tighten up your game, and go from there.

Thank you!

From the FAQ's Competitive Rules section:

If a player reveals a dial that is stuck between two different maneuvers in such a way that it is impossible to determine which maneuver was selected, the player’s opponent chooses which of those two maneuvers that ship will perform.
...and...
After the Planning phase, if a player wishes to look at one of his dials, he must inform his opponent first. Manipulating dials after the Planning phase will not be tolerated.

Both of those are considered "competitive" rules that don't necessarily apply during a friendly game, but a lot of people play by them anyway. If you want to avoid the drama, say you want to start playing by the full set of competitive rules to tighten up your game, and go from there.

Hasn't come up in a tournament yet for me but one of my tie fighter dials spins very easily. I don't cheat but just placing the dial down sometimes rotates it. I'll abide by the rules of course it just is gonna stink when that happens.

In a friendly game, I'd inspect the dial to see if it's sloppy or spinning too freely. If it is, I'd ask if he's got another dial, as this one is faulty. If it's not spinning freely, then it's pretty clear that it's being placed in that position, and I'd ask him to be more careful.

It's frustrating if you get someone who would go to lengths like this to cheat, but it's also frustrating if it's a fault with a component that's causing it.

Hasn't come up in a tournament yet for me but one of my tie fighter dials spins very easily. I don't cheat but just placing the dial down sometimes rotates it. I'll abide by the rules of course it just is gonna stink when that happens.

Pick up some nylon washers at your local hardware store. They'll add some spacing to tighten up the dial, and help limit wear on the face at the same time.

I've started 'tightening up' friendly games for exactly this reason.

One of my regular opponents is *always* forgetting his actions, i usually remind him... sometimes he asks if he can go back and do an action he's forgotten but i've started saying 'i sort of want to play in our local store event, so for this game do you mind if we're real sticklers' and then playing the second game of the night a bit looser.

Part of me thinks i'm helping improve his game too but i do feel like a git sometimes.

Don't feel like a git, Gadge. For some, it takes longer to get into a rhythm. Try breaking the game sequence down and continually asking him what he's doing. this might help the sequence to stick.

For example, when he activates a ship and chooses a maneuver template, ask if it's a red or green move. That should prompt him to add or remove a stress token. As soon as he's finished the move, ask him what his action is. Try and be aware of his pilots skills and upgrades if you can. "Is this the guy that's got Push the Limit? Is he going to use it?"

It's about giving him the opportunity by pushing him to remember. He'll get there eventually.

Once is coincidence, twice is suspect, three times is confirmation.

In a casual game one such mistake can be tolerated, in a competitive format the first time counts as a unplaced dial and you could choose the move.

I would just politely tell said opponent to by mindful of proper dial etiquette. It can be done in a freindly and polite way, and being direct and respectful is generally a thing people appreciate.

This happened to me recently in a friendly game. It was with a new player who had super-loose dials that he'd pick up with his thumb on the face of the dial, and his finger behind. His dial was loose enough that just doing so would often mean he'd change the dial, and have to fix it before he put it down again.

He wasn't cheating, but he could have if he'd wanted to, and I wouldn't have been able to tell.

I didn't say anything because his list was getting chewed up pretty badly and I didn't want to see like I was piling on.

Anyway, I've decided I'm going to make more of a point to pick up my dials with my fingers around the edge once they've been set, as getting enough torque on the dial in that position would be awkward and obvious.

I played a game with a new player who had not snapped his center pin in enough so the whole assembly spun freely! I asked for his dial, pressed the center into place, and showed him how the dial is supposed to have bit of resistance on it so he would be able to move it and it would stay on the movement he choose.

Things went like clockwork after that.

Hasn't come up in a tournament yet for me but one of my tie fighter dials spins very easily. I don't cheat but just placing the dial down sometimes rotates it. I'll abide by the rules of course it just is gonna stink when that happens.

Pick up some nylon washers at your local hardware store. They'll add some spacing to tighten up the dial, and help limit wear on the face at the same time.

For the washers you want the 5/8" ones. They're a perfect fit for the dial's center post.