I agree with this.

Fault the man all you want about his filmmaking practices. The fact is, none of us would be here today if he didn't have a vision and worked hard to carry it out back in the late 70's. He fought tirelessly against criticism not only from the studio execs, but the cast and crew working on it, and because of that he figured his little movie would never make money or be widely appreciated. Which makes it all the more impressive that he went through with it at all.

It was his older self that we all dislike, the one who couldn't leave well enough alone and who forgot that filmmaking should be a collaborative proccess.

Young George deserves the credit he's dead now and no one blames him, old George killed him and set about ruining his work he's the one we are bashing on.

George Lucas was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Young George and became Old George. When that happened, the good man who was our producer was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

Another theory is that Lucas was possessed by the ghost of Gene Roddenberry, in order to run star wars into the ground, leaving trek as the better of the two "star" franchises

Prometheus was terrible. Visually it was brilliant, but every character was an idiot and the plot all over the place, and the bits you could pin down made no sense.

EXACTLY!

First of don't have a character cossplay like Lawrence of arabia, that just makes me wish i was watching that movie!

Second:same thing with phantom menace: technology in the prequal is more advanced than in the original movie: where did the frigging holograms and stuff come from? The bridge looked like it was from Avatar half the time!

Three: stupid stupid stupid characters! (i can go on about this)

Four: The xenomorph is suposed to burst out the space jocky sitting in his throne on the alien ship, not on the floor in the med bay.(the only reason i didn't ragequit the movie was the fact it was already done at that point.)

I can enjoy it as a B-movie with stupid characters, but as a prequal to alien and aliens it is nothing short of a BETRAYAL!

Sorry for derailing the thread with my rants about prometheus, now lets get back to complaining about JJ abr- err I mean George Lucas.

The heroes journey trope, yes we know George.

The broader point is that there's a fictitious religion, which resonates with the morals that all religions tend to have. There's a universality in the story in that way.

Except its not really the same because you can demonstrate the force is real and force ghosts are a real thing so you know when you snuff it it's not the end.

There is no need for faith with his fictional religion, also given he ruined the force by making it a product of parasites he removed sin as a concept because there is no higher power to judge you.

So really its not anything like IRL religions.

The heroes journey trope, yes we know George.

The broader point is that there's a fictitious religion, which resonates with the morals that all religions tend to have. There's a universality in the story in that way.

Except its not really the same because you can demonstrate the force is real and force ghosts are a real thing so you know when you snuff it it's not the end.

There is no need for faith with his fictional religion, also given he ruined the force by making it a product of parasites he removed sin as a concept because there is no higher power to judge you.

So really its not anything like IRL religions.

Well, go tell that to George. I'm just saying that his message is about that and not so much about the hero's journey trope that Jetfire mentions.

But since you mention it, the lifting on the X-Wing out of the muck in ESB is no more real than Jesus' resurrection of Lazerus in the Bible. The point being that there are similarities in the format of the story, and that such stories that have had appeal in the past still have appeal in the present.

Prometheus was terrible. Visually it was brilliant, but every character was an idiot and the plot all over the place, and the bits you could pin down made no sense.

EXACTLY!

First of don't have a character cossplay like Lawrence of arabia, that just makes me wish i was watching that movie!

Second:same thing with phantom menace: technology in the prequal is more advanced than in the original movie: where did the frigging holograms and stuff come from? The bridge looked like it was from Avatar half the time!

Three: stupid stupid stupid characters! (i can go on about this)

Four: The xenomorph is suposed to burst out the space jocky sitting in his throne on the alien ship, not on the floor in the med bay.(the only reason i didn't ragequit the movie was the fact it was already done at that point.)

I can enjoy it as a B-movie with stupid characters, but as a prequal to alien and aliens it is nothing short of a BETRAYAL!

Prometheus: the story of that guy in the chair, in that wrecked spaceship from the first Alien movie... sort of....

"In space no one can here you walk out of the theater."

The worst about Prometheus: it was boring. Did anybody who watched it not see the original movie? The same plot all over again, so predictable. In "Alien" you would expect the crew of a freighter to act stupid when confronted with an unknown, dangerous alien. But a crew of supposedly handpicked experts?

If Shakespeare had had to put up with Hollywood producers, that would have given us "Hamlet IX - The Emperor Strikes Back".

Oddly enough there is a William Shakespeare's Star Wars:

The fact is, none of us would be here today if he didn't have a vision and worked hard to carry it out back in the late 70's.

Wait, Lucas is my Father? Nooooooooooooo!

The fact is, none of us would be here today if he didn't have a vision and worked hard to carry it out back in the late 70's.

Wait, Lucas is my Father? Nooooooooooooo!

Euh, I don't know about you, but i got on these forums to complain about the mandatory app in the Xcom boardgame, discuss 40k lore and maybe chat about some LCG rules. Lucas got nothing to do with that.

But don't get me wrong i love what he did back then, it's just what he's been doing since the late 90's...

For those looking for the original theatrical, it was released as a "bonus" on some DVD's a bit ago. Just search Amazon for "Star Wars DVD Theatrical Bonus". They're a little expensive for a DVD, but seeing the original theatrical cut as I remembered it was pretty awesome!

For those looking for the original theatrical, it was released as a "bonus" on some DVD's a bit ago. Just search Amazon for "Star Wars DVD Theatrical Bonus". They're a little expensive for a DVD, but seeing the original theatrical cut as I remembered it was pretty awesome!

Yup,I got them! In Belgium they got released as three 2-DVD sets: The (ugh) remastered version (wich i already had from the empire of dreams box set) and the proper originals in wich Han-shoots first and anakin wasn't hate-him cristensen!

I still have the OT on VHS, Two of which are the widescreen versions (someone "borrowed" one indefinatly it seems). They're awesome but I have to fast forward through a really bad section of leonard maltin interviewing lucas for the first bit ot the tape.

ROTJ was the very first movie we rented at the videostore.

When i was a kid my parents were watching Dune, and i asked what it was about, and my dad said it was another star wars movie. (He probably mean another science fiction movie, similar to SW) So for a while i tought of Dune as the 4th star wars movie. (Still better than phantom menace)

On the subject of original theatrical versions, I have a friend whom I have known since childhood to be very observant and highly unlikely to exaggerate, and he swears up and down that he saw Darth Maul sitting with the Jedi Council in Episode I. Where would one obtain an original theater copy of such a thing? Assuming the Lucasfilm Gunganstapo hasn't confiscated them all, I have a bit of money that I would be happy to part with of obtain such a holy trinket. (as long as nothing illegal is involved)

On the subject of original theatrical versions, I have a friend whom I have known since childhood to be very observant and highly unlikely to exaggerate, and he swears up and down that he saw Darth Maul sitting with the Jedi Council in Episode I. Where would one obtain an original theater copy of such a thing? Assuming the Lucasfilm Gunganstapo hasn't confiscated them all, I have a bit of money that I would be happy to part with of obtain such a holy trinket. (as long as nothing illegal is involved)

I'd say your friend is mistaken.

NOTHING about that would make ANY sense.

All I want is an unaltered, unedited, theatrical cut of the original trilogy.

Help me Walt Disney Company, you're my only hope...

I'd send you the VHS dubs of originals I rented from Erol's back in the '80's, but those have disintegrated by now.....

The worst about Prometheus: it was boring.

On the bright side, Alien: Isolation is FRICKIN' AMAZING.

On the subject of original theatrical versions, I have a friend whom I have known since childhood to be very observant and highly unlikely to exaggerate, and he swears up and down that he saw Darth Maul sitting with the Jedi Council in Episode I. Where would one obtain an original theater copy of such a thing? Assuming the Lucasfilm Gunganstapo hasn't confiscated them all, I have a bit of money that I would be happy to part with of obtain such a holy trinket. (as long as nothing illegal is involved)

It's not Darth Maul, but there is a Zabrak (same species) on the Jedi Council and this might be who he thought he saw.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eeth_Koth

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zabrak

AAAAGH i forgot about the ET radio thing. Dammit George! Quit tinkering with your movies!

Next thing we'll get Indiana Jones with the swastikas removed...Mark my words...

"Well, Y'see, Steve and I thought all the Nazis and stuff would be offensive to Jews, women, minorities, and people with last names, so we replaced them with Gungans holding fish tacos. Also, Sallah has been replaced by Dr. Teeth from the Muppets."

AAAAGH i forgot about the ET radio thing. Dammit George! Quit tinkering with your movies!

Next thing we'll get Indiana Jones with the swastikas removed...Mark my words...

"Well, Y'see, Steve and I thought all the Nazis and stuff would be offensive to Jews, women, minorities, and people with last names, so we replaced them with Gungans holding fish tacos. Also, Sallah has been replaced by Dr. Teeth from the Muppets."

I'd watch it if you left out the Gungans and just replaced Sallah with Dr. Teeth.

Dr. teeth! hell yeah! I'll aprove of any such edit of Indiana Jones.

Any other characters that can be replaced with muppets?

Just leave em alone...everytime they release a new blade runner i have to lock myself away and eat nothing but icecream.

And stop the crappy remakes Hollywood either make new stuff or have a genuine reason to remake a film like you have a new interesting angle, stop ****** our childhoods!

Just leave em alone...everytime they release a new blade runner i have to lock myself away and eat nothing but icecream.

And stop the crappy remakes Hollywood either make new stuff or have a genuine reason to remake a film like you have a new interesting angle, stop ****** our childhoods!

Ah yes Blade Runner. They have like, a ton, of special, definitive, final, (for realsies this time) director's cut editions. It doesn't bother me that much because of my own misgivings about that movie.

The Total Recall movie was... intresting. Now it was a bit silly and with lensflares to the point i mistook them for in-story elements. But it did make look at the Shwarzenegger movie again.

You can't copy Schwarzenegger.

He is the best.