"These edits are getting worse all the time...!"
Edited by John TenzerGeorge Lucas Explains What Star Wars "Means"
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of my video editing console."
I've never understood the hate of the stories being tweaked, modified and changed. Most of the beloved, and timeless, stories have evolved constantly since they were told. Robin Hood, King Arthur, and the like... as they exist now they'd be virtually unrecognizable to those from centuries past.
Stories grow in the telling. It's their nature.
I think, and it's certainly true in my case, that many fans felt insulted when Lucas decided to not only try to tell us how 'it was always meant to be', but then decided to comment that fans were deluded when the subject was brought up.
And the tweaks added to the OT were not an evolution of storytelling. Folk lore evolves and inspires new stories, movies though, are remade. For example, I Am Legend, which has had three movies inspired by a short story.
Tweaking the OT is like taking ET and replacing the police officer's guns with radios. It's an edit motivated by ego and a desire to feel better about one's self, and nothing about staying true to a vision, because if that had been the vision at the time, they would have done it AT the time.
AAAAGH i forgot about the ET radio thing. Dammit George! Quit tinkering with your movies!
Next thing we'll get Indiana Jones with the swastikas removed...Mark my words...
George keeps messing around with his movies without givving the fans what they really want:
Boba Fett clawing his way out of the Sarlacc pit.
" When i left you, i was but the learner now i'm the master!"
"Only a master of bad tweeks and edits, George!"
Edited by Robin GravesI'm so glad that a sudden appearance of Mickey Mouse wouldn't make things worse, would it?
At this point no, not really.
Ugh I'm just waiting to see Data from Star trek next gen being sold by Jawas in ep VII.
Aaargh! First George r*pes my childhood and then JJ Abrahms gets R2D2 in my Star trek! What the hell hollywood?!
lol, I never knew that R2 was in Star Trek, that's great. It reminds me of the hieroglyph of them in Indiana Jones. Every move could use a little random R2D2 hidden in it, along with the Wilhelm Scream.
Yeah R2 can be spotted amongst the floating debris of the space battle, after the enterprise goes to warp speed.
**** now I need to go through the pain of watching JarJarTrek again to see R2
George Lucas Explains What Star Wars "Means"
Making a c@%p load of money off toys.
Then about 15 years later deciding to make 3 new movies who's only point were to make A LOT more toys....
Did I sum that up correctly??
Let me save you some pain.
Thank you very much.
He did pioneer that field. When young george said, i want the rights to merchandise, the studio guys were: "Merch? surel! what are you gonna do with that? suck*r!" And a few months later he's raking in the dollars!
Actually i'm glad george decided to have lots and lots of starwars toys: I love those old Kenner toys!
And no matter how much he goes backs and F's up his movies he can't mess up my vintage kenner toys.
Edited by Robin GravesGeorge Lucas Explains What Star Wars "Means"
Making a c@%p load of money off toys.
Then about 15 years later deciding to make 3 new movies who's only point were to make A LOT more toys....
Did I sum that up correctly??
I agree with this.
Fault the man all you want about his filmmaking practices. The fact is, none of us would be here today if he didn't have a vision and worked hard to carry it out back in the late 70's. He fought tirelessly against criticism not only from the studio execs, but the cast and crew working on it, and because of that he figured his little movie would never make money or be widely appreciated. Which makes it all the more impressive that he went through with it at all.
It was his older self that we all dislike, the one who couldn't leave well enough alone and who forgot that filmmaking should be a collaborative proccess.
Young George deserves the credit he's dead now and no one blames him, old George killed him and set about ruining his work he's the one we are bashing on.
I'm so glad that a sudden appearance of Mickey Mouse wouldn't make things worse, would it?
At this point no, not really.
Ugh I'm just waiting to see Data from Star trek next gen being sold by Jawas in ep VII.
Aaargh! First George r*pes my childhood and then JJ Abrahms gets R2D2 in my Star trek! What the hell hollywood?!
lol, I never knew that R2 was in Star Trek, that's great. It reminds me of the hieroglyph of them in Indiana Jones. Every move could use a little random R2D2 hidden in it, along with the Wilhelm Scream.
Yeah R2 can be spotted amongst the floating debris of the space battle, after the enterprise goes to warp speed.
**** now I need to go through the pain of watching JarJarTrek again to see R2
I don't get what people have against J.J. Abrams' Star Trek. I think they're the best films of the series since the first 3-4. Granted they' feel much more like Star Wars than Trek. How anyone could watch one of those awful TNG movies and think they're better than JJ's films is beyond me. I guess trekies prefer dull, wooden characters philosophizing played by terrible actors (excluding Patrick Stewart) over solid actors playing interesting characters doing exciting things.
I'm so glad that a sudden appearance of Mickey Mouse wouldn't make things worse, would it?
At this point no, not really.
Ugh I'm just waiting to see Data from Star trek next gen being sold by Jawas in ep VII.
Aaargh! First George r*pes my childhood and then JJ Abrahms gets R2D2 in my Star trek! What the hell hollywood?!
lol, I never knew that R2 was in Star Trek, that's great. It reminds me of the hieroglyph of them in Indiana Jones. Every move could use a little random R2D2 hidden in it, along with the Wilhelm Scream.
Yeah R2 can be spotted amongst the floating debris of the space battle, after the enterprise goes to warp speed.
**** now I need to go through the pain of watching JarJarTrek again to see R2
I don't get what people have against J.J. Abrams' Star Trek. I think they're the best films of the series since the first 3-4. Granted they' feel much more like Star Wars than Trek. How anyone could watch one of those awful TNG movies and think they're better than JJ's films is beyond me. I guess trekies prefer dull, wooden characters philosophizing played by terrible actors (excluding Patrick Stewart) over solid actors playing interesting characters doing exciting things.
Well we could start with the massive plot holes like why did the romulons wait for years doing nothing when with a ship that powerful they could of gone to Romulus given the Empire a massive edge that would let the conquer the quadrant and with warning no one would of died when the star went nova.
Or how did a star 150 light years away not give them sufficient time to evacuate? There would of been no rush.
Jar jar used time travel as an excuse for changes but that does not explain why the ship destroyed at the start did not conform to ToS designs.
800 into 15 does not work when it comes to evacuating people off a star ship.
It goes on and on its a terrible movie even if it wasn't defiling a much beloved series.
But then star trek fans don't expect people who watch movies for the purty lights and explosions to understand logic and reason.
I liked the first abrahms trek movie, up to the point a certain planet gets destroyed and it turns out i've wasted an hour watching some alternate universe version. This was supossed to be how the crew of the original enterprise met up.
Oh yeah and lensflares!
I liked the first abrahms trek movie, up to the point a certain planet gets destroyed and it turns out i've wasted an hour watching some alternate universe version. This was supossed to be how the crew of the original enterprise met up.
It lost me from the start and I was highly PO`d getting more so the longer it went on, the red stuff was a stupid maguffin, the hand phasers were wrong, the sword that unfolded it was all such a massive insult.
I liked the first abrahms trek movie, up to the point a certain planet gets destroyed and it turns out i've wasted an hour watching some alternate universe version. This was supossed to be how the crew of the original enterprise met up.
It lost me from the start and I was highly PO`d getting more so the longer it went on, the red stuff was a stupid maguffin, the hand phasers were wrong, the sword that unfolded it was all such a massive insult.
Yeah but Uhura was hot! 
I started daydreaming about the Orion chick at the accademy and didn't pay attention to the movie untill spock the elder showed up. Ay least they didn't forget to put the kobiashy maru scene in.
Now Prometheus (suposedly a prequel to alien) really pissed me off from minute one.
I'm so glad that a sudden appearance of Mickey Mouse wouldn't make things worse, would it?
At this point no, not really.
Ugh I'm just waiting to see Data from Star trek next gen being sold by Jawas in ep VII.
Aaargh! First George r*pes my childhood and then JJ Abrahms gets R2D2 in my Star trek! What the hell hollywood?!
lol, I never knew that R2 was in Star Trek, that's great. It reminds me of the hieroglyph of them in Indiana Jones. Every move could use a little random R2D2 hidden in it, along with the Wilhelm Scream.
Yeah R2 can be spotted amongst the floating debris of the space battle, after the enterprise goes to warp speed.
**** now I need to go through the pain of watching JarJarTrek again to see R2
I don't get what people have against J.J. Abrams' Star Trek. I think they're the best films of the series since the first 3-4. Granted they' feel much more like Star Wars than Trek. How anyone could watch one of those awful TNG movies and think they're better than JJ's films is beyond me. I guess trekies prefer dull, wooden characters philosophizing played by terrible actors (excluding Patrick Stewart) over solid actors playing interesting characters doing exciting things.
Well we could start with the massive plot holes like why did the romulons wait for years doing nothing when with a ship that powerful they could of gone to Romulus given the Empire a massive edge that would let the conquer the quadrant and with warning no one would of died when the star went nova.
Or how did a star 150 light years away not give them sufficient time to evacuate? There would of been no rush.
Jar jar used time travel as an excuse for changes but that does not explain why the ship destroyed at the start did not conform to ToS designs.
800 into 15 does not work when it comes to evacuating people off a star ship.
It goes on and on its a terrible movie even if it wasn't defiling a much beloved series.
But then star trek fans don't expect people who watch movies for the purty lights and explosions to understand logic and reason.
Well to be fair, I wasn't crazy about the first of the two films, but it was still the best movie done with the franchise in at least a decade. With a few exceptions I loved how the characters interacted, which is a really important part of Star Trek to me. The relationships of the original cast were alway more interesting than anything else in the stories.
Abrams didn't write it, he'd just the director and one of eight producers, so you can't really level all those complaints on him. Directors don't have absolute control over the films they're working on, as a lot of people seem to think. This is why Lucas chose to break away from the studio system, he wanted total control, which as it turned out wasn't really a good thing in my opinion. If you're going to judge Abrams' role in the film you need to look at how it was shot, how the characters interact, how it was edited, etc. The only real issue I see here is the annoying lens flare effects.
Bad decisions on the part of a character, like the Romulan baddie, aren't necessarily plot holes, but they could be considered bad writing.
I liked the first abrahms trek movie, up to the point a certain planet gets destroyed and it turns out i've wasted an hour watching some alternate universe version. This was supossed to be how the crew of the original enterprise met up.
It lost me from the start and I was highly PO`d getting more so the longer it went on, the red stuff was a stupid maguffin, the hand phasers were wrong, the sword that unfolded it was all such a massive insult.
Yeah but Uhura was hot!
I started daydreaming about the Orion chick at the accademy and didn't pay attention to the movie untill spock the elder showed up. Ay least they didn't forget to put the kobiashy maru scene in.
Now Prometheus (suposedly a prequel to alien) really pissed me off from minute one.
Dude, I loved Prometheus!
And yes, the green chick was super hot.
I agree with this.
Fault the man all you want about his filmmaking practices. The fact is, none of us would be here today if he didn't have a vision and worked hard to carry it out back in the late 70's. He fought tirelessly against criticism not only from the studio execs, but the cast and crew working on it, and because of that he figured his little movie would never make money or be widely appreciated. Which makes it all the more impressive that he went through with it at all.
It was his older self that we all dislike, the one who couldn't leave well enough alone and who forgot that filmmaking should be a collaborative proccess.
Young George deserves the credit he's dead now and no one blames him, old George killed him and set about ruining his work he's the one we are bashing on.
George Lucas was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Young George and became Old George. When that happened, the good man who was our producer was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
Prometheus was terrible. Visually it was brilliant, but every character was an idiot and the plot all over the place, and the bits you could pin down made no sense.
I agree with this.
Fault the man all you want about his filmmaking practices. The fact is, none of us would be here today if he didn't have a vision and worked hard to carry it out back in the late 70's. He fought tirelessly against criticism not only from the studio execs, but the cast and crew working on it, and because of that he figured his little movie would never make money or be widely appreciated. Which makes it all the more impressive that he went through with it at all.
It was his older self that we all dislike, the one who couldn't leave well enough alone and who forgot that filmmaking should be a collaborative proccess.
Young George deserves the credit he's dead now and no one blames him, old George killed him and set about ruining his work he's the one we are bashing on.
George Lucas was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Young George and became Old George. When that happened, the good man who was our producer was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
I don't know, Empire Strikes Back is widely considered the best of the series, and it's the one he had the least to do with. Sometimes it best to let the visionary stick to coming up with ideas, and let better hands make them a reality.
The heroes journey trope, yes we know George.
The heroes journey trope, yes we know George.
The broader point is that there's a fictitious religion, which resonates with the morals that all religions tend to have. There's a universality in the story in that way.