Pretty much my thinking, yep. Wouldn't be a ship type i'd like much (i dislike getting battle taxis involved in a fight!), but it would have a use.

I'm looking forward to the fighter aspect of Armada oddly enough and the Rebels don't have much in the way of Squadron Command power even though they're the ones known for relying on fighters. So I'd like to see The Flurry. Protecting it, especially if its loss impacts your squadrons, would add a real-feel element to fighter management in a fleet game. I know the Assault Frigate MkII has a squad rating of 3 but, lordy, I can't get past how odd it looks.

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On another note, has the Nebulon B2 Modified Frigate been brought up? They were usually the Imperial version of the Neb-B in the X-wing vs. TIE Fighter PC game. Similar but new and more imposing, made sense. It has two angled... fins?... instead of 1 going straight down. This image shows the angle but the second 'fin' is obscured somewhat.

We might see the Nebulon-B/2....would be a pretty logical expansion for the Imperials since the Rebs are getting the standard Neb-B. I'd like that.

Yeah The Neb-B2 is my favorite ship class from the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games so every time a new Star Wars game of any type that involves capital ships comes out I cross my fingers and hope it will appear in the game usually to no avail. Hopefully FFG will change that.

I just hope they don't include the Imperial-II class Frigate in the game. Its pretty much my least favorite frigate model in Star Wars.

1: I think naming it the Imperial -II class when there was already an Imperial -II class Star Destroyer active in the same era was laziness and confusing. Now instead of telling people we've spotted an Imperial-II I have to specify if its a frigate or a Star Destroyer when they could have just as easily ,named the frigate an Imperia class or Imperix class or something.

2: Even worse the ship's stats in Saga, the only full statsheet for it I know of, are insane. Its got more then twice the firepower of a Neb-B, massive shielding and hull advantages, and an Imperial class Star Destroyer's fighter compliment. If that wasn't enough it has almost 30 times the passenger capacity of a Neb-B, and almost eight times the cargo space. It is even slightly harder to hit then a Neb-B. The only disadvantages it has compared to a Neb-B are that it has an absurdly slow hyperdrive and that it requires more then 20 times the crew of a Neb-B.

What ships are in the FFG Star Wars RPGs? (I only have the old WEG D6 books, or .pdfs thereof.)

That might give us a clue of what ships FFG already has in their kitty.

A lot, too many to list. On top of the movie ships there are a number of new FFG created ships, and a lot of EU ships, some of which had little more then names sizes and roles before FFG statted them though some of the EU ships have appeared in the new canon novels..

A lot, too many to list. On top of the movie ships there are a number of new FFG created ships, and a lot of EU ships, some of which had little more then names sizes and roles before FFG statted them though some of the EU ships have appeared in the new canon novels..

Hm...

It's tempting to go out and get those. Unfortunately, I don't have a RPGing group for it (yet), nor am I dissatisfied with WEG D6. I suppose people are putting those new ships into Wookieepedia, the way that they did with the Raider-class, within 24 hours of its announcement. So, too, my boys over at the Rancor Pit were all over it within that same time period to come up with stats for WEG.

I want to see all the ships that you see in the TIE fighter PC game eventually.

Oh and if FFG can swing it I'd love to see an alternate line of Battlestar Galactica ships. Not as big as Star Wars mind you, just a battlestar, basestar, some fighters, and a few token civilian ships.

A lot, too many to list. On top of the movie ships there are a number of new FFG created ships, and a lot of EU ships, some of which had little more then names sizes and roles before FFG statted them though some of the EU ships have appeared in the new canon novels..

Hm...

It's tempting to go out and get those. Unfortunately, I don't have a RPGing group for it (yet), nor am I dissatisfied with WEG D6. I suppose people are putting those new ships into Wookieepedia, the way that they did with the Raider-class, within 24 hours of its announcement. So, too, my boys over at the Rancor Pit were all over it within that same time period to come up with stats for WEG.

I'm not sure honestly. I know info for some of the new designs took a very long time to get added to Wookieepedia. I usually get the books a minimum of three weeks after they come out but I believe that I was still the first person to make pages for some of the new ships introduced in Enter The Unknown, Suns of Fortune, and Dangerous Covenants.

Alright, thought about this one some more:

Rebels

- MC80 (they'll need at least 1 capital ship by Wave 2)

- MC30 (because pew pew) (adds long range artillery-style pew)

Empire

- Tartan Patrol Cruiser

- Broadside Cruiser (adds long range artillery-style pew)

Empire:

Imperial class Star Destroyer

Raider class Corvette

Alliance:

Home One

Hmm, dunno, maybe a Falcon fighter group (a falcon and a bunch of x-wings?)

Hmm, dunno, maybe a Falcon fighter group (a falcon and a bunch of x-wings?)

What if it was just the Falcon on its own. There might be a fun mission included in the eventual ISD box in which the Avenger and its TIE squadrons (ie. Obsidian Squadron with Howlrunner) needs to hunt down the Millennium Falcon.

Unfortunately, I don't see it being in the cards. We already know what's going to be in the fighter packs, and I'm not sure they're going to come out with another one. Then again, maybe a pack for ships that are large-base in X-Wing, such as the MF and YT-2400 on the rebel side, and the Decimator and Lambda shuttle on the Imperial side.

Still, I'd hazard it would be Wave 3 if they do it at all.

As I think about this, I wonder if we should be worried that if they have really big waves (and Wave 1 does seem to have a lot already included) that this game may be short-lived.

Don't forget the Viscount Class Star Defender! It is only 1,000 meters smaller than the Executor class Super Star Destroyer.

Don't forget the Viscount Class Star Defender! It is only 1,000 meters smaller than the Executor class Super Star Destroyer.

What makes you think that they would include it in Wave 2?

Hmm, dunno, maybe a Falcon fighter group (a falcon and a bunch of x-wings?)

What if it was just the Falcon on its own. There might be a fun mission included in the eventual ISD box in which the Avenger and its TIE squadrons (ie. Obsidian Squadron with Howlrunner) needs to hunt down the Millennium Falcon.

Unfortunately, I don't see it being in the cards. We already know what's going to be in the fighter packs, and I'm not sure they're going to come out with another one. Then again, maybe a pack for ships that are large-base in X-Wing, such as the MF and YT-2400 on the rebel side, and the Decimator and Lambda shuttle on the Imperial side.

Still, I'd hazard it would be Wave 3 if they do it at all.

As I think about this, I wonder if we should be worried that if they have really big waves (and Wave 1 does seem to have a lot already included) that this game may be short-lived.

I already mentioned earlier I would love to see a Rouges and Villains type pack, this could have a single ship on each squadron base - as they are quite notoriously powerful ships (with about 4-5 health each and some funky special abilities) for:

Millenium Falcon

Slave One

Wild Karde

Mouldy Crow

Outrider

Star Viper

Hmm, dunno, maybe a Falcon fighter group (a falcon and a bunch of x-wings?)

What if it was just the Falcon on its own. There might be a fun mission included in the eventual ISD box in which the Avenger and its TIE squadrons (ie. Obsidian Squadron with Howlrunner) needs to hunt down the Millennium Falcon.

Unfortunately, I don't see it being in the cards. We already know what's going to be in the fighter packs, and I'm not sure they're going to come out with another one. Then again, maybe a pack for ships that are large-base in X-Wing, such as the MF and YT-2400 on the rebel side, and the Decimator and Lambda shuttle on the Imperial side.

Still, I'd hazard it would be Wave 3 if they do it at all.

As I think about this, I wonder if we should be worried that if they have really big waves (and Wave 1 does seem to have a lot already included) that this game may be short-lived.

I already mentioned earlier I would love to see a Rouges and Villains type pack, this could have a single ship on each squadron base - as they are quite notoriously powerful ships (with about 4-5 health each and some funky special abilities) for:

Millenium Falcon

Slave One

Wild Karde

Mouldy Crow

Outrider

Star Viper

I don't think any one of those ships is individually on par with an entire squadron of fighters though are they? I suppose that depends how many fighters each squadron consists of (I'm assuming the three models on each base actually represents more than three ships).

Speculation obviously but from someone who worked at West End Games that made the Victory Class part of Star Wars cannon. Some will probably be in Wave 3 rather than 2.

Imperial Class - 100% chance of being produced (like there is any doubt)

Strike Class Cruiser - 95% chance of being produced

Interdictor Class Cruiser - 95% chance of being produced (with new game mission profiles and scenarios)

Lancer Class Cruiser - 90% chance of being produced (great for Star fighter control)

Carrack Class Cruiser - <90% chance of being produced (its a great ship for its class but meh model to look at)

Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser - <60% chance of being produced (too similar in combat abilities to a Victory, may not be produced until later)

Escort Carrier - <50% chance of being produced (allows for more TIE squadron control)

Star Class Frigate - maybe <40% chance of being produced at best.

I doubt we will see an Imperial Star Destroyer (or a full sized Mon Calamari cruiser) for a while. Why? Well, firstly, the size is going to be an issue. I think they will produce it for this game, and I don't think it will be relegated to an "epic play" format or anything, but it is still going to be problematic to work out what kind if size is visually pleasing etc. Personally I would expect any normal fleet will only be able to feature one. Secondly: Why else choose the first Imperial ship be the Victory class Star Destroyer? If you were going to choose an iconic Imperial capital ship you would choose the Imperial class. Very few people (outside Star Wars EU fanatics) will even know what a Victory class is. However, if you are having problems with fitting in an Imperial Class, yet you want something to have that iconic appearance? The Victory makes total sense. To the non-initiated it is close enough they will go "Ah it is a Star Destroyer from the films," while to those in the know it is still a comparatively formidable vessel.

If the initial wave had given the Imperial's Lancer class frigates or something, then I would imagine the Imperial would be imminent, but those kind of ships just are not going to sell the game to the non-initiated casual Star Wars fan.

Hells, I meant Imperial Nebulon B. No reason for a primarily Imperial ship to be available only to Rebels.

I actually expect we won't see the Nebulon B in Imperial fleets, or at least for a while. They never appear on screen on the side of the Imperials, as while according to the EU they are actually Imperial vessels, they would want to keep them separate to cause confusion with the audience (also, I am not even sure whether the whole "captured Imperial vessel" thing was even on the minds of the film makers). Again, to the non-initiated they are Rebel ships. The only people seen on screen using them are rebels, and they actually fit the rebel's visual style a lot more than the Imperial one (rounded elements, while looking a little jury rigged, compared to the monolithic solid slabs of the Empire).

Why? 1 Skipray would get minced by any 12 other snubfighters. They weren't that powerful.

They weren't meant as fighters they were meant as assault ships, they were like Falcon Sized I believe armed to the teeth with weapons that were considered capital grade.

A squadron of Bombers would get minced by a squadron of any snubfighter too that's why they need fighter escorts

There are a couple of cheese ships in the EU... the Skipray is one of them. It is basically the size of a large fighter, with the firepower of a military patrol vessel (Ok, not as bad as the Suncrusher. A fighter sized vessel, which is invulnerable and has the power to destroy whole star systems... erm... what?). It also looks quite ungainly and ugly... frankly wouldn't mind if they are not present in the game. However, I would expect to see ships of that scale done as single ship "fighter squadrons". I would expect a Millenium falcon to make an appearance in that kind of release as well. While it shouldn't, it quite clearly has an impact of equal or greater to a standard squadron, because it is a "character" ship.

Throwing this out there, but when it comes to the Millennium Falcon's power level, it's the only ship out there that is (arguably) able to claim an even half of the credit for destroying BOTH Deathstars. In either case it was one of only two ships to survive the final fighter run on said bases, making it pretty much the most decorated fighter I'm aware of. That alone should give it what, at least three of each colored dice in game? And don't even get me started on it's defensive capabilities... Does anyone remember it going all stealth mode on the back of a star destroyer? Do you know how much they had to nerf this ship to even put it in X-wing? The rebels won't even need other ships in wave 2, just give them this one.

Disclaimer: This ENTIRE post is completely, satirically, deadly serious.

Throwing this out there, but when it comes to the Millennium Falcon's power level, it's the only ship out there that is (arguably) able to claim an even half of the credit for destroying BOTH Deathstars. In either case it was one of only two ships to survive the final fighter run on said bases, making it pretty much the most decorated fighter I'm aware of. That alone should give it what, at least three of each colored dice in game? And don't even get me started on it's defensive capabilities... Does anyone remember it going all stealth mode on the back of a star destroyer? Do you know how much they had to nerf this ship to even put it in X-wing? The rebels won't even need other ships in wave 2, just give them this one.

Disclaimer: This ENTIRE post is completely, satirically, deadly serious.

You sir forgot Wedge, who was the only pilot to survive both Death Star Runs and the Rebels already have him in their fighter pack. Wedge AND a Falcon would be so terribly OP we probably will not see the Falcon until we see a Death Star Expac

Yep, Wedge is officially the most succesful pilot in all Star Wars.

- 2 Death Stars - only pilot in the setting to be able to claim this

- Did them both in single seat fighters, not a beast like the Falcon

- So many fighter kills he has to record them by squadron rather than individually (mentioned in X-Wing books)

- Does it all without any Force ability whatsoever

Now THAT is grade A, badass cheese.

Yep, Wedge is officially the most succesful pilot in all Star Wars.

- 2 Death Stars - only pilot in the setting to be able to claim this

- Did them both in single seat fighters, not a beast like the Falcon

- So many fighter kills he has to record them by squadron rather than individually (mentioned in X-Wing books)

- Does it all without any Force ability whatsoever

Now THAT is grade A, badass cheese.

And

-Partial kill of a couple SSDs (1 also surrendered to him)

-Partial kill of a VSD

-Partial kill of at least 1 ISD

-Most Importantly he impersonated an Ewok pilot

The Ewok pilot thing alone makes him badass the rest is just gravy

Very true. I didnt even bother mentioning the normal Star Destroyer kills....he's been in on so many of those they are hardly even special anymore

He also commanded an SSD, for when his X-Wing just wasn't big enough. I think he commanded the only time two SSDs ever directly fought each other that i'm aware of (Battle of Orinda). I honestly cant think of any other time this happened. It may have, but no idea when.

Incidentally, that battle is also probably my favourite piece of Star Wars artwork:

Partial kill of a Battlecruiser, class unknown, with partial credit also going to the Falcon, in the Return of the Jedi novelization. (The Empire's main communications ship was stated to be larger then a standard Star Destroyer and eventually retroconned to be a Battlecruiser)

The thing about making Wedge a fighter card and not a commander is that while he's most well known as a fighter pilot in Legends he is shown as being a great fleet and task force commander as well.

The thing about making Wedge a fighter card and not a commander is that while he's most well known as a fighter pilot in Legends he is shown as being a great fleet and task force commander as well.

No reason he cant be both - his fighter card is bound to be marked as "unique" so there could be a commander version in the future

My bet on ISD in third wave. To heavy for the game. And it needs opponents from the Rebel side. MC80a and MC80b both at the same wave most likely. So it's 3 big ships for the wave. I don't think that Armada will go so heavy and slow in the second wave.

I think most possible and balanced wave two ships are: Carrack cruiser and Dreadnought heavy cruiser for Imperials, and Assault Frigate mark I and Marauder corvette for Rebels.