From a business perspective I will be surprised if we see an ISD before wave 3. Reasons being that 1) its the largest and most powerful ship in the Imperial lineup (excluding SSD's), so from a points perspective, if you own an ISD, you wont be able to field much else - which will dramatically reduce the future number of other (Imperial) ships sold to players once its released - cause lets face it, just based on looks if you can field an ISD, why would you want anything else? .

2) If you have such a powerful unit on the table you need to be able to counter it - this means a wide variety of ships needed for the rebel player to field, both large ones (like the MC80), and smaller options that can work well together, this I imagine will be wave 1 (with the assault frigate) and wave 2.

3) FFG knows that we are hanging out for it - by keeping it as a future "carrot" people are more likley to buy the other expansions to tide themselves over in the meantime when it eventually comes out

At worst - we might see everything Imperial that is not an ISD before it finally hits the table, but I dont think FFG would be that mean

One hundred percent this. I just wasn't coherent enough to get my views expressed.

Plus I don't want my Victory Star Destroyers going obsolete toooo quickly.

One hundred percent this. I just wasn't coherent enough to get my views expressed.

Plus I don't want my Victory Star Destroyers going obsolete toooo quickly.

Exactly, why buy the Victory expansion if the ISD is announced as coming up in the next wave?

Exactly, why buy the Victory expansion if the ISD is announced as coming up in the next wave?

So you can relish the sight of the utter fear in the Rebel player's eyes as your Destroyers bare down on his pitiful ragtag "fleet."

I can see your point, but there is a potential counter argument. Not my stance, but I will present it as such for the sake of discussion!

FFG will release the Imperial class in wave 2 because they want to quickly inspire more players to buy-in to their new game. They are well aware that once the initial commitment is made, people are much more inclined to buy extra expansions so they already have that financial investment. This is why the Falcon/Slave 1 came out fairly early.

Personally i dont expect to see them in Wave 2, but i wouldn't be surprised as such if they are.

One hundred percent this. I just wasn't coherent enough to get my views expressed.

Plus I don't want my Victory Star Destroyers going obsolete toooo quickly.

Exactly, why buy the Victory expansion if the ISD is announced as coming up in the next wave?

Because the Imperial won't render the Victory entirely obsolete. Yeah one on one an Imperial outclasses a Victory but an Imperial will cost much more. I wouldn't be shocked if some players decided to try Teradoc's strategy (Teradoc was an Imperial warlord who had his main fleet composed of Victory class Destroyers rather then Imperial class ships because he could get more ships for the same resources.)

Exactly, why buy the Victory expansion if the ISD is announced as coming up in the next wave?

So you can relish the sight of the utter fear in the Rebel player's eyes as your Destroyers bare down on his pitiful ragtag "fleet."

And that's why I'm making my rebel fleet first priority. Most of my RPG naval officers have made careers out of shredding fleets composed of fewer but larger and more heavily armed ships, and I've done the same in many war games.

Well now I am hoping to see the Imperial Raider in a future expansion :-)

What About Small Squads of Skiprays?

What About Small Squads of Skiprays?

I would love these but I would bet each ship would be its own "squadron"

Why? 1 Skipray would get minced by any 12 other snubfighters. They weren't that powerful.

Yeh I think skipray type fighters, and the other heavy bombers, Arc-170s, Tempests, and such would be more likely to be in flights of four.

Why? 1 Skipray would get minced by any 12 other snubfighters. They weren't that powerful.

They weren't meant as fighters they were meant as assault ships, they were like Falcon Sized I believe armed to the teeth with weapons that were considered capital grade.

A squadron of Bombers would get minced by a squadron of any snubfighter too that's why they need fighter escorts

Why? 1 Skipray would get minced by any 12 other snubfighters. They weren't that powerful.

They weren't meant as fighters they were meant as assault ships, they were like Falcon Sized I believe armed to the teeth with weapons that were considered capital grade.

A squadron of Bombers would get minced by a squadron of any snubfighter too that's why they need fighter escorts

Thats not really accurate.

Yes, they were designed as heavy assault ships or gunships. However, they were significantly smaller than a YT-1300 (about 10m shorter), and their weapons were certainly not capital grade, though they were heavily armed.

A standard GAT-12 Skipray had 3 medium ion cannons, a twin laser turret, and 2 launchers (1 torpedo, 1 missile), all of which were starfighter scale.

They were in fact only slightly more heavily armed than a single B-Wing, and it was generally used in very similar roles by the forces that had them in numbers.

Dont get me wrong....they were widely regarded as excellent ships, but they certainly weren't THAT powerful. Flights of 4 would certainly be more appropriate than just 1.

Would love to see more ships from EaW. MonCal cruisers are a must, and I'd love to see the Acclimator. Maybe when they give us full ISD's we can have Piett <3

I haven't followed Armada as carefully but how are the points spread out in fielding ships for Armada? As in, does it look like they've left room for the larger ships later in the game? Because it's Armada, not Capital Ship. A match where an ISD went up against an MC80b would get kind of boring. You want to be throwing fleets at each other. That means multiple capital ships. But if the Imps can the ISD and the Rebels various MC's, does it look like they've left points for it?

For example, X-wing Miniatures is played in 100pts and at times this boxes ships out if their price is too high. Granted FFG doesn't want the first wave of Armada to feature too many ships, like 4 Vic's vs. 8 CR90s. But it strikes me that, with so many other ships to come in a game meant to be fleet combat, the point costs of ships should reflect scale later. How many MC80s or ISDs do you expect to field in a battle? Are the current, lesser powered ships, priced such to give a hint?

Well, much like HeroClix or X-Wing, just because a certain point build is listed as "standard" or "recommended," that doesn't mean you can't play at other point values. So even if there's not room for much support for an ISD in the "standard" build (which we don't really know will or won't be the case), that's not going to stop me from changing the point total if my friends and I want to see bigger fleets.

Well a "Dogfight" that consists of 2 Decimators and 2 Falcons isn't much of a dogfight but those happen in X-wing, and like the previous poster said if you play "Epic" Armada at levels of almost 1000 points a couple MC80s and ISDs would fit+support ships

Lambda Class Shuttles anybody? ^^

You know, i was about to say "light freighters," but then I got to thinking...No. Stupid. Fighters have power only because they come in squadrons; Lambdas and the Millenium Falcon come alone. And by themselves, they'd have negligible power. Really, this just isn't the game for them.

Yeah, it's not like the Millennium Falcon did anything to help in the Battle for Endor.

Didn't it outrun the Imperial fleet for much of Empire Strikes back?

Hang on a minute, didn't it help in the Battle for Yavin?

Ships like that would be good against fighter swarms even if they lack punch against Star Destroyers. After all, no fighter ever damaged a Star Destroyer did they....

..."intensify forward firepower!"

"Ahhhhhhhh"

..."too late!"....boom

Now to the question:

I was hoping for an Epic expansion with Star Destroyer huge ships. Please FFG make them massive.

I was hoping for an Epic expansion with Star Destroyer huge ships. Please FFG make them massive.

I'm confident that we'll see an ISD in Armada. It really cannot be otherwise. However, I hope (and trust) that they won't introduce them the way they introduced Huge ships in X-Wing (even if I do love the Huge ships in X-Wing).

Until such time as they do, I have a 15" model (80s vintage) of an ISD, which will nicely hover over the battlefield.

I was hoping for an Epic expansion with Star Destroyer huge ships. Please FFG make them massive.

I'm confident that we'll see an ISD in Armada. It really cannot be otherwise. However, I hope (and trust) that they won't introduce them the way they introduced Huge ships in X-Wing (even if I do love the Huge ships in X-Wing).

Until such time as they do, I have a 15" model (80s vintage) of an ISD, which will nicely hover over the battlefield.

You lucky

Me jealous

I was hoping for an Epic expansion with Star Destroyer huge ships. Please FFG make them massive.

I'm confident that we'll see an ISD in Armada. It really cannot be otherwise. However, I hope (and trust) that they won't introduce them the way they introduced Huge ships in X-Wing (even if I do love the Huge ships in X-Wing).

Until such time as they do, I have a 15" model (80s vintage) of an ISD, which will nicely hover over the battlefield.

You lucky

Me jealous

Don't be jealous - get lucky too:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Star-Destroyer-vintage-collectible-model-kit-MPC-ERTL-/151525311578?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item23479cc45a

I just want my super star destroyer.

Anyone have sizes on the Victory mini and Galdiator mini? Just comparing the "apparent" sizes of the minis to the Tarot sized ship cards, I'm guessing the VSD is about 6" long, and the GSD at about 4". If the size relationship holds, my guess for the size of the ISD is around 9" long.

The SSD? I hope we see it -- but I won't hold my breath.

Looking at the size of the VSD, I'm not sure we'll see the ISD very soon. It's doubtful it would even fit on a regular base.

When i saw the VSD at GenCon, i estimated it to be approx 5"-5.5". I never got it in my hand though, so take it as an approximate.

An Imperial class would probably be about 8" long based on their sliding scale.