Is it just me, or are there some weird inconsistencies in the Woodland deck?

First of all, why is there a lion in the Woodlands, an enchanted, magical temperate forest? Lions generally live in hot, arid savannahs, not in the middle of a forest that experiences winter and summer seasons. It's not as if they have a lack of other 3 Strength animals to draw upon either. Why couldn't they have put a, you know, bear instead of a lion into the deck? A bear wouldn't be out of place in a temperate forest, not to mention that it would have been a nice counterpart to the 3 Craft animal Totem Bear, with both a Strength bear and a Craft bear being present in the Woodlands.

Secondly, they've got 2 out of 3 cards of the Highlands cycle of Places that give a choice between a Strength/Craft/Life counter, and a Fate counter, at each visit. They've got the Well of Life, the Pool of Fortitude, but not the Stream of Knowledge. Instead, they've got the Pool of Fortune in its place. While the Pool of Fortune is not out of place in the Woodlands, buying quite nicely into its theme, it kinda irks me that they didn't complete the cycle from the Highlands, and there's already an abundance of Fate counters available in the Woodlands, especially compared to Craft counters.

And lastly, why does the Big Bad Wolf only make you ditch a follower as opposed to KILLING one?!?

Oh darn, I meant to post this on the main Talisman board. Could a mod move this thread to there? I don't want to clutter up the Rules Question board with threads that don't concern themselves about rules questions!

Tarzan always seemed to come across Lions in the forest.....

Answer: Its Talisman!

In other words you may as well ask what sound yellow makes .

Well, yeah, but at least he lived in a tropical jungle, which is slightly more believable than a temperate forest, as there are still Indian lions kicking around that lives in the tropical to semi-tropical forests of India.

Answer: Its Talisman!

In other words you may as well ask what sound yellow makes .

Uhh, that is not a satisfactory answer, as Talisman was created by humans, for humans, with a specific purpose and theme in mind, unlike the colour yellow. A lion in the middle of a temperate forest, or the Big Bad Wolf only making you ditch followers, as opposed to "swallowing them whole" (i.e. killing them), are cards that are not conforming to the expansion's, or their own, theme and "flavour". To look at it another way, how would you react if a modern firearm was suddenly drawn from the Adventure deck, and its effect was to make a character you defeat in battle or phychic combat discard all their fate?

I'd like to point out that since the base game, a blizzard can be drawn in the desert.

If the worst we have now is a lion in the woods, I think we're pretty good...

Well, there are such things as cold, almost arctic, deserts, such as the Gobi desert, and the land surrounding the deserts don't seem to be especially hot. Regardless, to me, the Adventure deck has always been a random assortment of largely unrelated stuff, unlike the alternate decks, which are supposed to be more themed around a certain region/character. That's just how I view it, though.

Well, there are such things as cold, almost arctic, deserts, such as the Gobi desert, and the land surrounding the deserts don't seem to be especially hot. Regardless, to me, the Adventure deck has always been a random assortment of largely unrelated stuff, unlike the alternate decks, which are supposed to be more themed around a certain region/character. That's just how I view it, though.

love your justification "keep up the good work man".

And lastly, why does the Big Bad Wolf only make you ditch a follower as opposed to KILLING one?!?

Because Little Red Riding Hood's Granny was swallowed whole by the wolf and then was found still alive inside him. The Follower is there to be taken if you kill the wolf... or move him aside.

You may argue that swallowing a granny and swallowing a Colossus isn't the same thing... but I like Talisman also for its absurdities.

So with the Big Bad Wolf is it "as well as losing a life" or is it "just ditch a follower that's it" I gathering because there isn't the normal "as well as your normal penalties" its just the ditching...

Absurdities like the chicken legged hutt .. got to love it!

what sound yellow makes .

Yellow sounds like mars, except the T is silent.

So with the Big Bad Wolf is it "as well as losing a life" or is it "just ditch a follower that's it" I gathering because there isn't the normal "as well as your normal penalties" its just the ditching...

Absurdities like the chicken legged hutt .. got to love it!

The chicken legged hut is just the traditional abode of Baba Yaga, who is also present in the Woodlands deck, so I have no problem with that being there.

As for the Big Bad Wolf, I don't remember it using the word "instead", so I'm pretty sure one loses a life in addition to ditching a Follower if defeated.

Well, yeah, but at least he lived in a tropical jungle, which is slightly more believable than a temperate forest, as there are still Indian lions kicking around that lives in the tropical to semi-tropical forests of India.

Thousands of years ago there used to be lions in Europe too.

It's not the temperature of the climate but the relatively large numbers of prey animals and small numbers of humans to compete with that constrain Lions (and other big cats) to the territories they are found in.

Well, yeah, but at least he lived in a tropical jungle, which is slightly more believable than a temperate forest, as there are still Indian lions kicking around that lives in the tropical to semi-tropical forests of India.

Thousands of years ago there used to be lions in Europe too.

It's not the temperature of the climate but the relatively large numbers of prey animals and small numbers of humans to compete with that constrain Lions (and other big cats) to the territories they are found in.

True, true, but even considering this, I don't think those lions ventured much to the north of the Mediterranean, as fact of the matter is, they're not adapted to winter temperatures, like I would presume one would experience at the appropriate time of the year in the Woodlands. And before you bring up the question of, "why is there a lion in the standard Adventure deck in the first place, then?", I view the lion there, and the ape, much like I view the Eastern Dragon, i.e. a stranger in a strange land, in a place that a lot of weird stuff happens.

And lastly, why does the Big Bad Wolf only make you ditch a follower as opposed to KILLING one?!?

Because Little Red Riding Hood's Granny was swallowed whole by the wolf and then was found still alive inside him. The Follower is there to be taken if you kill the wolf... or move him aside.

You may argue that swallowing a granny and swallowing a Colossus isn't the same thing... but I like Talisman also for its absurdities.

Kudos, Warlock, for a truly excellent point! That was undoubtedly the designers' thinking when they have you ditch a follower for The Big Bad Wolf.

And I will say that personally, I've found the Woodlands to be by far the most intriguing and imaginative of any of the board expansions.

Baba Yaga[/url], who is also present in the Woodlands deck, so I have no problem with that being there.

As for the Big Bad Wolf, I don't remember it using the word "instead", so I'm pretty sure one loses a life in addition to ditching a Follower if defeated.

As for The Big Bad Wolf. Hmmmm yes there isn't a "instead" in the Big Bad Wolfs text but normally there is a "as well as losing a life" too. I suppose its just one you have to make a ruling on and leave it at that.

A lion in the woods? That's nothing...

Here's a sneak peek at some forthcoming artwork -

Glorious! I hope that this is for the forthcoming the Ocean expansion!

Glorious! I hope that this is for the forthcoming the Ocean expansion!

More or less. It's title is Talisman: The Storm River. It is all about finding ancient powerful treasures buried in the depths of the Storm River. Pretty interesting expansion if one would ask me, I'm pretty sure everyone will like it!

Could be worse the shark could have chicken legs .

Baba Yaga[/url], who is also present in the Woodlands deck, so I have no problem with that being there.

I already knew it was the abode of Baba Yaga i was just "trying" to point out that its silly trying to justify a loin being in the woods where a evil witch is with a house that has two chicken legs "as well as other fantasy things" i mean its not like Yaga lives down the street or anything?

Thing is, though, in my mind, Baba Yaga and her chicken-legged hut "fits" a temperate forest setting, just like the Toad King and the Unicorn does. And while a lion would fit in a tropical to semi-tropical setting, perhaps one based on African or Indian or Mediterranean mythology/folklore, I think a bear would fit the theme of the Woodlands, which is based on a combination of British and Slavic folklore and Norse mythology, much better, especially as, as mentioned, a counterpart to the "Totem Bear" that they had introduced.

Also, are there no-one who agree/disagree with me on the point that it's weird that they didn't complete the 'cycle' from the Highlands of Fate containing Places? It seems that everyone ignored my second point...

" OH SWEAT GOD NO"

now I will have nightmares

Tiggurix: Are you still going Oh sorry about ignoring my second point, I suppose it was a design thing normally it is if some where kept but others where not. I suppose a few games with Woodlands and so thinking might bring light of the issue unless they just included them at random... Maybe they did it to freak out all the Jungle spotting Lion hunters who play .

Great picture, might be a good idea for a new homebrew card

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