When playing x wing with friends I was using Whisper with vet instincts and an advanced cloaking device (among other upgrades). I had initiative and attacked a ship (falcon with Han as pilot) of an equal pilot level triggering a cloak action. That ship then returned fire and insisted that I should not be cloaked because we were of the same level and the simultaneous attack rule means I would not be cloaked until after his attack. I'm sure that the player with initiative resolves all abilities before the opposition does, am I right? Or was I wrong to cloak my Phantom before the Falcon could attack me?

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No, Whisper cloaks. The simultaneous firing rule has no effect on whether or not you just completed an attack.

Thought so,

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If you had initiative and shot first you would be cloaked when he fired, the rule he mentions only guarantees he gets to shoot if he dies i think.

Im 99.9% sure all effects are resolved before he attacks. simultaneous attack only kicks in if you killed the falcon, and all that would mean is he gets his attack before being removed. It wouldn't stop the cloaking.

Im 99.9% sure all effects are resolved before he attacks. simultaneous attack only kicks in if you killed the falcon, and all that would mean is he gets his attack before being removed. It wouldn't stop the cloaking.

You can go ahead and bump that up to 100%, that's exactly what that rule does

That's why initiative bids are so important with Phantom builds. Even with a PS9 Whisper, you still need to attack first so you can re-cloak before they can shoot back at you. The PS9 Whisper list really needs to be at 97 or 98 points, even at 99 you are taking a huge risk.

As everyone here has said. He cloaks immediately after attacking.

Your friend is wrong.

If that was the case initiative bid would not be important

This is where "simultaneous attack" kinda falls flat. If it were truly simultaneous, the lasers/missiles would be out of the chamber before the other one hit. Things like damage cards and "after attack" game effects kind of ruin the feel of it. Meh. Not much you can do about it. I find the rule fine, just dislike the misnomer of it.

It could of had a more accurate name, but such is life.

Seeing the change to Dice Results, so now tokens and dice are treated as the same. I could see them changing this rule to allow a shot before ACD could kick in.

I'm not saying they will, or even that they should. But it would be in line with the change to dice result.

It could of had a more accurate name, but such is life.

Nearly Simultaneous Attack?

Seeing the change to Dice Results, so now tokens and dice are treated as the same. I could see them changing this rule to allow a shot before ACD could kick in.I'm not saying they will, or even that they should. But it would be in line with the change to dice result.

I don't see what the two have to do with one another. Can you clarify what you mean?

Seeing the change to Dice Results, so now tokens and dice are treated as the same. I could see them changing this rule to allow a shot before ACD could kick in.

I'm not saying they will, or even that they should. But it would be in line with the change to dice result.

That is a bit of a leap. There really is no confusion how things like "after you attack" interact with the Simultaneous Fire rule. There was some confusion, and legitimate points, about how and why the Evade token is different than an Evade result.

I don't see what the two have to do with one another. Can you clarify what you mean?

Well there was a change in how results worked, if a Evade result from the action was the same as a evade result from a dice. The FAQ even said as much IIRC. There may of been confusion about it, but the FAQ did again IIRC make it clear how it worked.

So what you have is a change in a fundamental rule as part of the FAQ document. If they can change the rules for what is a result and how it's treated, they could change the rules for how simultaneous attacks work.

It's not about the change itself, it's about FFG's willingness to change fundamental rules after the fact.

Ask him this:

What happens if Han attacks first the Whisper attacks and hits. Does Whisper now get the free Focus token and the increase in agility dice so that he can use them against Han's attack? Of course not! Now when Whisper shoots first why shouldn't he get those advantages for when Han shoots?

The advantage of shooting first in a "simultaneous fire" situation is because your attack CAN dramatically affect other ships. If Whisper attacks Han and lands a crit on Han then the Falcon WILL be dealing with that critical at the time it want to fire back.

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

I personally like this little caveat to the simultaneous fire rule because initiative has a clear advantage. Early on, people were very confused because in most games initiative is a good thing, and in this game it's not as straight forward. For "Whisper," there is a definite upshot to having initiative.

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

It must be close to that of a fully loaded sparrow.

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

Aldaarian or Tatooine plasma?

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

It must be close to that of a fully loaded sparrow.

African or European SWALLOW?

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

It must be close to that of a fully loaded sparrow.

African or European SWALLOW?

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

It must be close to that of a fully loaded sparrow.

African or European SWALLOW?

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

It must be close to that of a fully loaded sparrow.

African or European SWALLOW?

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

It must be close to that of a fully loaded sparrow.

African or European SWALLOW?

Anyone know the speed of plasma shot from a fighter ship blaster through a vacuum?

It must be close to that of a fully loaded sparrow.

African or European SWALLOW?

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