Hi, Talisman fans,

how would you solve the following situation?

You encounter a place that requires you to draw 2 or more cards. Both cards happen to be Enemies with strength / or both craft. Rules states that you add up their strenght/craft numbers + roll one die to determine their final attack value. No problem. But what happens when one or more Enemies have special characteristics? I'll give an examples to be more clear:

You draw Wrathborn Knight (strength 4) and Living Statue (strength 5).

"If the Wrathborn’s attack roll is lower than its Strength, roll 1 die and add the result to its attack score. It will remain here until it is killed."

and

"A Living Statue thunders into this area. If you defeat the Living Statue, the attack counts as a stand-off unless you defeat it with a Weapon that is a Magic Object."

Do you also combine both their characteristics, so you must defeat both of them with a Magic Object Weapon? And what about Wrathborne Knight ability when rules states that their strenght is combined (str. 9) - you would have to roll another die for them in any case. Or you just roll an extra die only if their first roll value is 1,2 or 3?

Thank you for your suggestions

Well, since they fight you together as one enemy, we always played it like their abilities are combined as well.

Which would mean that a) If you don't have a Magic Weapon, you can't win. and b) Since their combined strength is 9, regardless of what the first die roll turns out to be, they always get another one. Pretty nasty combination of enemies you picked there. Wouldn't want to face that.

(In before Warlock or one of the Masterminds tells us we've been playing it wrong all the time...

well, maybe... maybe not.)

If the Wrathborn’s attack roll is lower than its Strength, roll 1 die and add the result to its attack score. It will remain here until it is killed.

So.. roll a second die it the attack roll is lower than 4 not lower than 9.

As for the Living Statue question, read the first page of the FAQ, read the other pages as well I'll you find more useful information there.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=29&esem=4

The Problem is, Nioreh, in the Scenario described, the Wrathborn's "base" attack is 9 (together with the Statue).

Just reread page 1 btw. - I'd say it proves my point.

Quote: "Some Enemies have effects... These effects apply to the entire battle or psychic combat, not just the individual Enemy."

Though I can understand what you're trying to imply, I'm just not 100% sure here.

Quote: "Some Enemies have effects... These effects apply to the entire battle or psychic combat, not just the individual Enemy."

You've cancelled a lot of words from the quoted sentence, transforming a rule applied to abilities that generate a stand-off or an automatic defeat into a general rule.

The full statement is:

Some Enemies have effects that turn the battle or psychic combat into a stand-off or automatically defeat a character. These effects apply to the entire battle or psychic combat, not just the individual Enemy.

The point is that this is not an additional rule, but a clarification which was required at the time because many people thought that a character winning the battle should take the Wrathborn Knight as a trophy but not the Statue, since it required a magic Weapon. That's a realistic interpretation, but the words printed on the card are" If you defeat the Living Statue, the attack counts as a stand-off unless you defeat it with a Weapon that is a Magic Object. " The attack involves both Enemies, so if the result is a stand-off, it's a stand-off for everybody.

The other ability takes into consideration the Strength of the Wrathborn Knight, not the combined Strength of the two Enemies, as Nioreh explained. There's no rule extending the ability beyond what's written.

Warlock is correct!