For the record, I love the A-Wing model (and the Y-Wing too for that matter, I certainly wasn't one of those who was disappointed with it). In fact they're two of my faves (hence my frequent cries for a crew slot in the Y-Wing).

I also have just bought two sets of Rebel Aces - I'm customising my B-Wings as we speak

I think the claims that the Y-Wing cockpit module is the same size as the body of the A-Wing are ignoring the fact that there's a lot more space around the cockpit of the A-Wing cockpit than there is around the Y-Wing cockpit. The A-Wing is not just a Y-Wing without the Y-joint.

• The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine: the Shakespeare canon

Sure but we don't get to decide what is or is not genuine, only the IP owner gets to decide that. So no I'm not misusing the term.

What you consider to be canon is completely meaningless to what is in fact canon, because you have no authority to make that decision for anyone but you. So you can say "this is canon but that isn't" But then you are no longer talking about Established Canon, but rather your own opinions.

Canon is by it's very nature an objective thing and not subject to opinions from anyone other then the group or person who has the authority to decide what is or is not canon. If everyone gets to decide what is or is not canon for themselves, then the term no longer has any meaning, and we lose any sort of common reference in which to discuss such things.

For example if I say Luke is the most powerful Jedi, because he did X, Y and Z. But someone has decided that X and Y never actually happened, then we can't possibly have a discussion on the power of Luke because we no longer have any sort of agreed upon "factual" events that have happened.

So the whole thing becomes a debate over opinion rather then a discussion with evidence to support one side vs the other.

Edit: Also putting aside the debate on Canon... LFL as the license holder has final approval over every model FFG makes. So if LFL says the A-Wing is Xm long, Ym wide, Zm tall, then FFG has to make it that size in scale. Because otherwise LFL won't approve the model.

So even if the A-Wing doesn't match up to the movie, FFG has to make it what ever size LFL says it is, not what size it looks like in the movie.

Just reading this thread makes my head hurt. I mean seriously, the game is supposed to be fun. Play the game or don't but the size of an A-wing doesn't really worth all this.

NO WE ARE ALL NERD PERFECTIONISTS, WE MUST HAVE AN EXACT CONSENSUS ON THE SIZE. THE WORLD STOPS SPINNIG IF WE GET THIS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

/rant

OMFG YOU STOLE THE WORDS FROM MY MIND!!!!

For those who say the A-wing is less then 9.6 meters. Remember the A-wing has 2 powerful engines, a hyper-drive, a shield gennerator, some sort of fuel tank, 2 lasers with motors that move them around, an internal weapon bay that holds 6 missiles, sensors and targeting computers for it's weapons, a cockpit, a navigation system, a communication system, flight controls, a retractable landing gear, and an environmental system that lets the pilot breathe and keeps him from freezing. That is a lot of stuff to cram in a craft that is 9.6 meters long. I know this is a fictional craft but anything smaller and you are going to have to include dimensional folding technology to get everything in it.

There's an image on the first page of the "So the Ghost is really big" thread that allegedly shows the official sizes of the ships. If it's correct, the models in question are scaled just fine.

Sure but we don't get to decide what is or is not genuine, only the IP owner gets to decide that.

Nonsense. What was in the work of art is what's genuine, not what the IP owner says. IP ownership has nothing to do with art. The film is the art.

What was in the work of art is what's genuine, not what the IP owner says.

Then there's nothing more to talk about with you. Because there is no reason to discuss issues of canon with someone who refuses to accept canon for what it is.

I'm done either way. This isn't a FU!!! Mazz0. It's just that we're going to do nothing but run in circles around this.

FFG made the A-Wing the size LFL told them it was. So if you feel that's wrong then your issue is with LFL since they're the ones who decided what size everything is.

Can't you just go off the size of the cockpits as shown in the movies? Both ships cockpits are shown and each ship in it its different model scales are shown in in correct ratio/scale for its scale (does that make sense?)

I know what I mean by that.

Using the size of the actors in the cockpit and therefore the size of the cockpit you could roughly get an idea if they are in scale to each other or not.

Then there's nothing more to talk about with you. Because there is no reason to discuss issues of canon with someone who refuses to accept canon for what it is.

I'd argue that you're the one refusing to accept what canon is. The canon is the body of work. If you think that refers to a database rather than a series of films, then yeah, clearly we're not going to persuade each other.

FFG made the A-Wing the size LFL told them it was. So if you feel that's wrong then your issue is with LFL since they're the ones who decided what size everything is.

I agree, definitely LFL's fault (well, I say definitely - obviously it's possible FFG simply lied about getting the measurements from LFL, when really they made them all up to annoy us).

Wow, i popped in after three days as i'd ran out of other things to read....

still going round in circles

Jeez

I feel bad for even saying anything in the first place now.

Wow, i popped in after three days as i'd ran out of other things to read....

still going round in circles

Jeez

I feel bad for even saying anything in the first place now.

No you've created the perfect dark side generator there's enough nerd rage to power a hundred death stars!

As an aside i was looking through 'star wars magazine' (thats like pretty 'offcial' yeah?) and in the 'battle for endor' feature there are pics of A and B wings with clearly visible pilots in the cockpits.

The A wing is tiny... i'll take a pic and upload it now.

Either than or B wings are flown by pixies.

A wing, SMALL, if we assume the pilot is a human

B wing BIG if we assume the pilot is a human

Now thats not an A wing and a Y wing but if you compare the pilot sizes to the cockpits on the models its really, really , really evident the A wing model is too big. Its not big deal , i just mentioned it in conversation. I'll leave this again for a few days now as it doesnt seem to go anywhere but i was looking at those film stills last night and i thought... yeah clearly the A wing and B wing are not in scale either... common issue... 'Big A Wing!'

You're such a flamer, Gadge.

I think Gadge just pulled off the best nerd trolling in a long time......

Honestly, i was just bored , struck me as oddly sized.

I had no idea people would get so sore about it.

Honestly, i was just bored , struck me as oddly sized.

I had no idea people would get so sore about it.

Don't be modest dude.

Glad that Y's are getting the bomb option via scum, but I wish they would add a co-pilot option too. They need a refresh even if the size doesn't change.

I totally hope they dont change the size, horse has bolted and all that...

I wouldnt want to feel the urge to have to replace the 4 A wings and 2 Y wings i do have.

Like i say no real biggy (the Y wing that is... clearly the A wing is a 'biggy' )

Big fat prototype A-wings that don't fire backwards like normal ones.

That's what we have.

Isnt it the later versions that have 360 cannons.

I think that would have been good to reflect in the game.

I'd have had an upgrade card that gave you a secondary arc but with one less red die (because the pilot has to shoot backwards and still concentrate on flying fowards, there is no astromech to help him!) if you are doing anything other than a green manouvre?

Say a 3pt upgrade?

The issue with a secondary arc is that you need a new base to show it. So, it can't just be added.

You can always lift the base and flip it 180?

Or only allow it to fire directly behind at any point along the width of the base.