but you know 'real world' jet interceptors have been that size.
The ME163 for example
A wings too big or Y wings too small?
All I know is that nobody in their right mind would be "bumping" with those A-Wings ... 
so i find it hard to believe the FFG model is the 'correct scale'
Again, FFG had access to the models used in the filming of the movies, as in the original ILM models, and they based their ships off of that.
So they are as close to correct as anything can be.
Edited by VanorDMLooking at that pic of an a wing...
Precisely... so i find it hard to believe the FFG model is the 'correct scale'
What makes you so sure that specific picture is the 'correct scale'?
But the movies used different sized models for different shots. Its clear from watching the movies that sometimes some things seem to be larger.
Also if it keeps coming up 15 time or so as you say then clearly more than a few people think that perhaps a mistake may have been made in scaling. I cant see FFG going 'oh yeah sorry, we got it wrong we'll remodel them all'
If you *honestly* think the A wing which is a tiny interceptor and basically engines around a cockpit should have a larger cockpit than a two man Y wing then fair enough 
Looking at that pic of an a wing...
Precisely... so i find it hard to believe the FFG model is the 'correct scale'
What makes you so sure that specific picture is the 'correct scale'?
It fits the description of a A wing much better than 'a interceptor with a cockpit twice as big as a bomber'
This pic is from starwars.com
doesnt get much more official
its still bloody tiny
Yeah, I'm in the "The A-Wing's too big" camp too. I suspect the blame lies with LFL, rather then FFG, but I agree it should be a little bigger than the Y-Wing cockpit section.
Too big, too small...I don't mind too much. It's close enough, and is still a gorgeous model to look at.
Though, I do think the Y-wing cockpit is horribly designed. Look at every other ship: X-wing, A-wing, B-wing...All of them allow you to actually look UP. The Y-wing? Nope. Just a narrow slit to look through, even smaller than a car windshield. How do they see anything?
but you know 'real world' jet interceptors have been that size.
The ME163 for example
The 163 was rocket powered, not a jet.
Also if it keeps coming up 15 time or so as you say then clearly more than a few people think that perhaps a mistake may have been made in scaling.
Just about everyone who does uses that mat panting as proof, but as I said that painting didn't have any sort of scale assigned to it, so it's pretty much worthless when it comes to scale.
So you're left with 3 options...
1) FFG when they stated making X-Wing got access from LFL to all the models. ILM or LFL which ever one had the models understood that FFG wanted to get the scale right, so they sent them the models that were the correct size.
2) When FFG started making X-Wing they lied about the whole "access to the models" thing and just made it up based on the Wookipeida*, or guessed based on their own impression of how big the models should be.
3) ILM and/or LFL gave at least some of the wrong models, so the scale is off.
Frankly I'll trust FFG when they say they got access to the models and that ILM/LFL gave them the correct models. If you don't believe FFG got the scale right for all the ships that's up to you.
Even if the A-Wing or other models is wrong, they still look very good both by themselves and on the table with other ships.
*If you look at Wookiepedia that actually backs up FFG, as the A-Wing is 9.6m long compared to the X-Wing at 12.5 so 3m shorter. Which seems to fit the difference in models.
Option #4: FFG realized that the players would riot if they tried to charge $15 for a tiny true-scale a-wing (which probably wouldn't have as much detail because of the size) and increased the size of the model to match inaccurate lengths taken from novels/RPG books.
Really, I don't see how there's any argument about this. The a-wing model is indisputably the wrong size, and it (IMO) looks kind of silly next to other rebel ships.
The a-wing model is indisputably the wrong size, and it (IMO) looks kind of silly next to other rebel ships.
And you base this on exactly what evidence? I mean if you have something to back up your claim such as official stats or something I'd love to see them.
Because every time this comes up the vast majority of people point out sources that show quite clearly the A-Wing is the correct size, so you're clearly wrong about the indisputable part, because the idea that it's too big is clearly disputed and in fact proven wrong based on all the evidence provided so far.
Such as the size listed in the Star Wars web page prior to it being changed by Disney, listing it as 9.6m compared to the X-Wings 12.5m length.
Edited by VanorDMOh god, not this again.
I'm not into the scale debates. As long as it looks good, I'm fine with it.
And you base this on exactly what facts? Because every time this comes up the vast majority of people point out sources that show quite clearly the A-Wing is the correct size.
Pictures of the film models which clearly show a much smaller ship compared to the other rebel fighters. The pilot is a fairly tight fit even in the largest versions of the a-wing cockpit, which means that the cockpit should be about the same size as the x-wing and y-wing (which appear to have at least as much space around the pilot as the a-wing). FFG's a-wing model has a much larger cockpit than an x-wing or y-wing, which means that either:
1) FFG completely screwed up the shape of the a-wing and made most of the ship the correct size but put a giant cockpit on it for no apparent reason.
or
2) FFG made the whole ship too big.
Pictures to prove my point. Notice how in all of these pictures the pilot has only a little bit of space around them in the cockpit. There is no giant bubble around them like the FFG model would have to have if it was at the same scale as the x-wing and y-wing.
Nevermind, just not worth it...
I'd rather argue Star Wars tech with BKL then get into another debate on the size of the A-Wing.
Fact is, that FFG based their model on the model provided to them by LFL/ILM. Yet again we have people making claims that it's too big, and FFG is lying to us about it based on some images they dug up on the internet.
Edited by VanorDMSuch as the size listed in the Star Wars web page prior to it being changed by Disney, listing it as 9.6m compared to the X-Wings 12.5m length.
Film evidence takes priority over numbers posted on official websites. Remember, it took a lot of fan lobbying for the official (non-movie) sources to finally change the Executor's length to the correct number shown in the films instead of the ridiculously inaccurate length taken from an old RPG book, despite the fact that the film evidence indisputably showed that the longer number was correct.
Fact is, that FFG based their model on the model provided to them by LFL/ILM. Yet again we have people making claims that it's too big, and FFG is lying to us about it based on some images they dug up on the internet.
Either FFG is lying or they're incompetent. Their a-wing model is not the correct size. Also, note that when they made a big deal about having access to the original models it was back when the game was first created, and they seem to have done a good job with those models.
And it's not just "some images dug up on the internet", those are movie shots and/or pictures of the actual models used in the movies. You can't get a better scale reference than that.
Edited by iPeregrineBoth, OP. The scale was fudged pretty badly. Only thing I've ever seen get it right is Rogue Squadron II.
Go to You Tube and type in "Battle of Endore". Watch the A wing in action next to the other ships. It doesn't come off as a tiny gnat. Yes it is smaller then the other ships, but not to a great degree. I think FFG did a good job with the size of their model.
That Y-wing is supposed to fit 2 people?
Not all Y-wings.
now we know why you get so many green moves in an FFG a-wing. Lots of space for that jacuzzi. Maybe even a massage therapist crew.
I think if anything, the Y-wing is too small. I really don't know why this is such an issue that comes up often. I would be more upset at Lando for stealing Han's Cloths and trying to put the moves on his women then the size of the A-Wing.
I think if anything, the Y-wing is too small. I really don't know why this is such an issue that comes up often. I would be more upset at Lando for stealing Han's Cloths and trying to put the moves on his women then the size of the A-Wing.
The Y-Wing IS far too small.
Count me in the y wing too small crew, the model feels slightly malnourished