Guys, there is a word for what the EU is as opposed to canon: "Apocryphal"

Thats not true, if it were so GL would never have put any EU into his films, he wouldnt have given most EU a C rank but a n rank on the canon scale, most important of all during GL time at the wheel one of his actors for CW said that games comics books and show are all part of the SW Saga. Saga is a pretty powerful word for designating what is and isnt canon. GL workered very closl on that show epixode t9 episode. The actor would know what he is talking about since GL appeard to have a briefing for each episode.

But with Di1smey saying that all mediums are equal canon, and writers for SW reb show and SW novels saying all past material is canon, and even if contradicted is still possibly canon just not the fine details, its pretty clear legends and games are still canon and equal, when talking about tech and feats.

She will definitely come back. Darth Maul and Boba Fett came back .. and we saw them die.

Also since based of the promotional bits for Rebels kinda proposes that they are the spark of rebellion inspiring others to act the whole Force Unleashed story where Starkiller essentially creates the Rebellion is no longer set in stone. Even without the fact that it is no longer canon due to Disney.

I don't particularly like the idea of this band of rouges inspiring a galaxy into motion, if that is the intention but it is what it is.

Disney hasnt made SWTFU noncanon. As for this show it has Rebels in it, there are craploads of Rebel Forces, including some that never Joined the Rebel Alliance. The "Rebel Alliance is what Star Killer helps form. There were plenty of Rebel forces before the Alliance was created.

If anything all these guys are doing is encouraging people to Rebel not form the Rebel Alliance.

Except that Disney has said that anything that isn't the movies, The Clone Wars, Rebels, and future novels, is now considered "legends" and isn't canon. Here is a little tool to help you out:

SWTFU: non-canon

Darth Maul: Son of Danthomir : canon

The Clone Wars: Canon

Star Wars Holiday Special: non-canon

Star Wars: A New Dawn: canon

any book before a new Dawn: non-canon

This decision was made for continuity sake and to keep the new stuff fresh, as opposed to just rehashing the books for the new movies. Here is a link as well: http://www.joystiq.com/2014/04/26/star-wars-expanded-universe-including-games-no-longer-canon/

Guys, there is a word for what the EU is as opposed to canon: "Apocryphal"

Thats not true, if it were so GL would never have put any EU into his films, he wouldnt have given most EU a C rank but a n rank on the canon scale, most important of all during GL time at the wheel one of his actors for CW said that games comics books and show are all part of the SW Saga. Saga is a pretty powerful word for designating what is and isnt canon. GL workered very closl on that show epixode t9 episode. The actor would know what he is talking about since GL appeard to have a briefing for each episode.

But with Di1smey saying that all mediums are equal canon, and writers for SW reb show and SW novels saying all past material is canon, and even if contradicted is still possibly canon just not the fine details, its pretty clear legends and games are still canon and equal, when talking about tech and feats.

Guys, there is a word for what the EU is as opposed to canon: "Apocryphal"

That's not completely correct. Apocryphal means something that is untrue and the EU isn't necessarily invalid it's mostly just unknown...

Something is considered apocryphal when it's in conflict with the established canon.

Sorry, but you are both wrong - apocryphal does not mean "untrue". It means something of doubtful authenticity that is never the less widely regarded as true. Doubtful =/= untrue. Something can be in complete agreement with canon and still be apocryphal.

its pretty clear legends and games are still canon and equal, when talking about tech and feats.

No they're not, they may not be contradicted but they are far from being equal.

Also unless you can point to an official release to backup a lot of what you're saying, then we have to go with what Disney said. Which is that the EU is no longer canon. Only the 6 movies and TCW show is considered canon. There is no longer degrees of canon, there is Canon and non-canon. All of the EU which includes the games is now at best Legends.

Again unless you can provide an link to an statement from someone on the Story team, or otherwise authorized to make such such a statement, then what you're saying is hearsay.

Sorry, but you are both wrong - apocryphal does not mean "untrue". It means something of doubtful authenticity that is never the less widely regarded as true.

That's only one definition of the word, and not the one most commonly used. The most common one I've seen when talking about fiction and canon, is when something published contradicts the established canon, either because it was wrong when published or else something came along later.

I can't see how anyone could call a book published by LFL or at least with their blessing be of doubtful authenticity, since it was clearly published under the authority of the IP holder.

Since Disney is the Keeper of the Stuff now, they can bring Ahsoka back if they want to. I wouldn't be surprised to see her and Ventress show up in Rebels, but who the hell knows. I think it's best if they give the new characters some room to breathe and stand on their own without tie-ins and callouts all over the **** place.

Otherwise you get to see Jar-Jar again. No one wants that.

It's a huge galaxy.

There can be more than one spark.

My God is the One True God and you are all heretics! Oh wait, we aren't actually talking about religion...

As VanorDM and I have said, there is Cannon and Legends, and that's it. No other degrees. Cannon is anything in the 6 movies, the Clone Wars, Rebels and the SW: New Dawn books. EVERYTHING ELSE IS LEGENDS. It can be brushed aside at any time.

If you guys find a better source for your argument than this:

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Please share it.

Sorry, but you are both wrong - apocryphal does not mean "untrue". It means something of doubtful authenticity that is never the less widely regarded as true.

That's only one definition of the word, and not the one most commonly used. The most common one I've seen when talking about fiction and canon, is when something published contradicts the established canon, either because it was wrong when published or else something came along later.

I can't see how anyone could call a book published by LFL or at least with their blessing be of doubtful authenticity, since it was clearly published under the authority of the IP holder.

There is only one dictionary definition of apocryphal I'm aware of - I can't speak as to who uses it incorrectly, or how. In regards to "doubtful authenticity", I'm speaking from within the universe, not suggesting that the EU authours were not outside of the authority of the IP holder.

My God is the One True God and you are all heretics! Oh wait, we aren't actually talking about religion...

As VanorDM and I have said, there is Cannon and Legends, and that's it. No other degrees. Cannon is anything in the 6 movies, the Clone Wars, Rebels and the SW: New Dawn books. EVERYTHING ELSE IS LEGENDS. It can be brushed aside at any time.

If you guys find a better source for your argument than this:

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Please share it.

I agree with you - 'canon' is canon, Legends is Apocryphal.

There's no one true account of the theft of the Death Star Plans. There are several conflicting stories about the theft of the shuttle Tydirium. I think the formation of the rebellion is, honestly, whichever story you like to believe is true. At least until LFL decides to put out a definitive story with no questions asked, but if it had this discussion wouldn't be happening.

I never followed the Clone Wars much, because the prequel era doesn't interest me. But I was a little curious about Ashoka and if she'd turn out to be a munchkin kid character shows throw in to please younger audiences (like Jar-Jar... and the first Anakin). But a few things I've read suggests maybe she was more than that?

Spoiler?

There is one scene in an episode where she has a vision of "the future" with an older version of herself with a warning that this future will not come to pass if she stays beside her master. Since she's left the order I think she's out there somewhere.

But I was a little curious about Ashoka and if she'd turn out to be a munchkin kid character shows throw in to please younger audiences (like Jar-Jar... and the first Anakin). But a few things I've read suggests maybe she was more than that?

She started out like that, but they managed to actually grow the character during the course of the show so that she by the end the early annoying elements of her character genuinely seemed like childhood mannerisms that she grew out of as she matured.

Since this whole thread deals with spoilers...

I was also impressed with how the changed Ventress's character and had her and Ahsoka working together in Ahsoka's final story. I could totally see the two of them teaming up as soldiers of fortune or something in the intervening years.

Personally, I am looking forward to the Ventress/Vos novel that is based on one of the "lost scripts" of Clone Wars.

As for the Death Star plans, we all know all stories are merely trying to catch a glimpse of the one true stealer of the Death Star plans: Kyle Katarn.

She will definitely come back. Darth Maul and Boba Fett came back .. and we saw them die.

1. Boba Fett never died, he just fell into the Sarlaac and

2. In this new "canon" everyone is so excited for, Boba never left the sarlaac.

2. In this new "canon" everyone is so excited for, Boba never left the sarlaac.

I personally hope he never gets out too.

2. In this new "canon" everyone is so excited for, Boba never left the sarlaac.

I personally hope he never gets out too.

:o :o How could you!

EDIT: if you check his canon article on Wookieepedia, and look at the talk page, you'll notice that GL actually said he did escape.

:o :o How could you!

Because he is the most over rated character in Star Wars and perhaps of all fiction.

He did next to nothing in the movies but somehow managed to escape and then became a massive Mary Sue, often making they did with Luke seem reasonable and balanced.

:o :o How could you!

Because he is the most over rated character in Star Wars and perhaps of all fiction.

He did next to nothing in the movies but somehow managed to escape and then became a massive Mary Sue, often making they did with Luke seem reasonable and balanced.

But he is amazing! The armor man, the armor man!

Oh and Lucas never said he got out. Jonathan Rinzler said that Lucas said that... But he's never appeared in any canon source, and the wookipeda entry says this.

Although Lucas opted against adding Boba's escape

I like the armor, and I think it would be cool to see more about the Manso's in the armor... I hope they do some stuff with Sabine in Rebels with it.

But Fett himself? Leave him in the pit and call it good. Let that part of the EU be thrown in the pit with him, it's the best thing that could happen to it.

Went over to the darkside like Anakin and became Darth Snips.

Totally with vanor on the boba issue. He was a cool looking character who got totally ruined by overuse and rampant fanboyism.

After the prequels I don't understand why anyone cares what Lucas says anymore, what he considers cannon means less than nothing to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo10xiHvR_c

This is my canon.

She will definitely come back. Darth Maul and Boba Fett came back .. and we saw them die.

1. Boba Fett never died, he just fell into the Sarlaac and

2. In this new "canon" everyone is so excited for, Boba never left the sarlaac.

Funny you left out the fact we're getting a Fett film.

Rumored. And I hope it is only a rumor, because what the story was rumored to be was bad. Really bad.

But yay, Luceno (author of the upcoming Tarkin book) said that The Force Unleashed is going to be ignored in the lead up to ANH. Suck it Starkiller.