So, one of the beefs I had with ordnance is the inability to make your shot better on many of them. Especially past a focus.

On Proton Torps, really, you won't get much improvement even with a focus.

On Concussion Missiles are still liable to land 2 hits, which is too little for 4 points. (Heck, guaranteed 2 hits a turn is worth 3 points: Accuracy Corrector.)

Bomber could make this up by adding the expense Captain Jonus.

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However, more and more I've been seeing more effective ordnance carried by an unusual suspect: Already expensive high PS ships.

Their chances for shooting them are much better, they take easier target locks.

Adding the EPT predator also seems to be really helpful. This is a way of getting a TL esque effect when you've spent your TL on your attack.

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What are your thoughts?

What do you think the numerical effectiveness of adding a torpedo to an otherwise moderately decked out high PS ship is?

Ex. Luke + R2D2 add a Flechette or a Proton Torp.

Decked out Coran Horn with FCS an APT... all day every day.

Two hits on focused Concussion Missiles is not standard.

Realistically, paying 4 points for a single 4 attack (3 damage) -1 agility at R3 shot isnt all that appealing. especially if it took you two turns for TL F.

What do you think the numerical effectiveness of adding a torpedo to an otherwise moderately decked out high PS ship is?

If you're going to use missiles/torps at all that's the place to do it, and it's a reasonable choice to make if you have 2-5 points left and don't have an obvious better thing to spend them on. High-PS pilots have the best chance of getting their target lock, the best chance of shooting before they die, the best maneuvering action options to get the right range/arc, and the best support abilities to make that one shot count. A torpedo on Wedge with predator is another 4 points on an expensive ship, but that's a very consistent 3-4 hits with no range 3 defense bonus and a -1 agility penalty. And that's a significant alpha strike that can often kill a TIE in one shot or severely damage a rebel ship.

I think it'll kill more than just a Tie actually.

But yes, when you think of it that way, on wedge with 4 dice, predator and -1 agility... even without a focus, that seems like a good shot.

Considering you are basically paying 4 points for an added maybe 8 points off making it much easier to one shot a tie fighter. I'd expect that the damage will likely allow you to kill even something like a B-wing, which could be about 30 points, so in this case, I would say that it does numerically ad up to at least not a bad choice.

How many of you "sprinkle" ordnance into your lists? Meaning that the ordnance was not initially included in the list's concept.

The downside I see with using Predator for your EPT is that you lose out on the ability to take PtL to get TL+F on one turn (excepting A-wing test pilots, of course). That seems like a net loss if you want to use ordnance to me.

Hmm. I think it depends on what pilot.

For Wedge or Xwings without Boost or other extra crazy shenanigans, Predator covers TL and the action covers Focus.

hmm. Augh. I dont know.

Five points for a one shot attack verses seven for a Canon you can use every turn it's not really a hard choice.

Predator will help but ultimately ordnance is over priced and awkward to use.

Just any observation, every time I see TL, I think of WH40K's Twin Linked USR. Luckily, Target Lock and Twin Linked are almost identical rules-wise.

Decked out Coran Horn with FCS an APT... all day every day.

And Marksmanship, right?

The downside I see with using Predator for your EPT is that you lose out on the ability to take PtL to get TL+F on one turn (excepting A-wing test pilots, of course). That seems like a net loss if you want to use ordnance to me.

It goes back to which ordnance you are using since, Proton Torpedoes seem to function as a miniFocus it works on that better then PTL because then you can reroll the blanks and if you only get 1 focus result the Torp Already covers that.

Proton Rockets are an interesting dilemma, basically the choice their becomes how many dice you can reroll vs the cost of the stress, A-wings probably don't care about the stress(unless you need to K-turn or pull a 1 Turn for some reason), but Tie Advanceds and Defenders do.

Flechettes and Ion Torpedoes of course are close as well, but I really don't think it makes that big of a difference and it would come down to personal play style, when you are attacking with no fear of being shot at to maximize damage do you take a Target Lock or do you focus? That is basically what it would come down too for the choice for these weapons

Just any observation, every time I see TL, I think of WH40K's Twin Linked USR. Luckily, Target Lock and Twin Linked are almost identical rules-wise.

You get over it eventually. I don't even think of twin linked any more.

The downside I see with using Predator for your EPT is that you lose out on the ability to take PtL to get TL+F on one turn (excepting A-wing test pilots, of course). That seems like a net loss if you want to use ordnance to me.

But if you don't have an A-wing you can get a poor man's TL (preditor) and still get another action that doesn't cost you a Stress.

TL+Focus is not a whole lot better than Predator+Focus. If you have a focus token you aren't usually going to need to re-roll more than one dice with a lot of ships.

You also get Predator if something happens that would deny your action you still get your predator. This is why the black Squadron+ Predator Swarm is so popular. Those TIE swarms can get really bumpy, and two attack dice without any actions is not really that effective.

Kath Scarlet + predator + tactician + cluster missile is always something that I wanted to try

(Now that's stress!)