Obviously they wouldn't be able to use the force talents located on the tree, and would not become force sensitive, but can they take the tree anyway?

I'd go with no, a Droid doesn't have a connection to the Force so it can't benifit from anything related to it, at least mechanically. Why would you want to anyway? My guess is to get Lightsabler Talents or some other such Munchkinism...

According to RAW; yes, they can.

The "Mechanical Being" racial quality states they cannot become Force Sensitive nor gain a Force Rating by any means. It does not say they cannot purchase any Specialization that grants a Force Rating.

If the droid does buy into FS Exile or FS Emergent, they won't get Force Rating 1 nor gain any benefit from purchasing Force Talents within the tree. If they purchased one of the F&D Specializations, it would work just like someone with an EotE or AoR career purchasing those F&D Specs. They can do it without having a Force Rating, because having a Force Rating is not a requirement for buying Aggressor, or Makashi Duelist, or Seer. The droid would still have to purchase the Force talents if they wanted to progress further in the tree, but would gain zero benefit from said talents*.

* - Based on Sam Stewart on our show, concerning someone buying a F&D Spec without having Force Rating 1 from another source

Good question...hate to say it but the force flows through living things and you couldn't take the talents on the Force tree

EotE core book page 275 first sentence

"Any character in EDGE oF THE EMPIRE, with the exception
of droids and a few other specific species, can
theoretically be Force sensitive"

and pg 275 last paragraph

"Players should be aware of additional limitations to
becoming Force sensitive as well. For example, the Droid
species cannot become Force sensitive, and certain other
species open to player characters have similar limitations
(this is listed in a species' specific entry). Because
these species cannot become Force sensitive, they cannot
select the Force Sensitive Exile specialization.. "

If you can't buy into the specialization you can't use it.

According to RAW; yes, they can.

The "Mechanical Being" racial quality states they cannot become Force Sensitive nor gain a Force Rating by any means. It does not say they cannot purchase any Specialization that grants a Force Rating.

If the droid does buy into FS Exile or FS Emergent, they won't get Force Rating 1 nor gain any benefit from purchasing Force Talents within the tree. If they purchased one of the F&D Specializations, it would work just like someone with an EotE or AoR career purchasing those F&D Specs. They can do it without having a Force Rating, because having a Force Rating is not a requirement for buying Aggressor, or Makashi Duelist, or Seer. The droid would still have to purchase the Force talents if they wanted to progress further in the tree, but would gain zero benefit from said talents*.

* - Based on Sam Stewart on our show, concerning someone buying a F&D Spec without having Force Rating 1 from another source

Wow...Sam said that? What he said makes sense. I think he was trying to say no you can't but I am not going to stop you if you do but you wasted your XP. Zero benefits means it would be worthless to buy into for a droid.

Looking on the tree the only benefit would be to be able to use talents other trees have.

Is the light saber talent in F&D marked for force users only?

Well, honestly I've been finding that sometimes Sam can be a little inconsistent with his rule adjudications. It's not a big deal but he can one time say to ignore Fluff on one thing then the next time to use the Fluff to make a ruling, then go back and say don't use the Fluff for something else. What I read from him is that he's a "Rule of Cool" kind of GM/Judge and is pretty lenient on whatever a Player might want to do, the rules aren't that important. Which I suppose is a bit ironic considering his role in the project...

So his opinion is raw in all the books is a guide have fun with it.

I forgot that I had Ogg's char builder and the trees with it. Looks like force sensitive trees and exile trees are different than the Jedi trees.

Also looks like light saber is a skill not a talent. So I would say, spend the XP and take any tree you want as a droid, if your GM says ok, but you can't have force points so you can't use the force.

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

Now that's an awesome idea, RPG heaven for a good roleplayer. Have you thought about sharing the talent tree you have modified/made on the forums?

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

Have you considered having the PC actually be a Jedi that is in a Holocron embedded within the body of a Droid? Maybe he's just now awakening and doesn't realise he's no longer alive and begins to gain his powers back as he remembers more of himself...

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

Have you considered having the PC actually be a Jedi that is in a Holocron embedded within the body of a Droid? Maybe he's just now awakening and doesn't realise he's no longer alive and begins to gain his powers back as he remembers more of himself...

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

Have you considered having the PC actually be a Jedi that is in a Holocron embedded within the body of a Droid? Maybe he's just now awakening and doesn't realise he's no longer alive and begins to gain his powers back as he remembers more of himself...

Ya, a repulsor in his hand to use force move/push and so on would be more along the lines of that though not getting his powers back

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

Now that's an awesome idea, RPG heaven for a good roleplayer. Have you thought about sharing the talent tree you have modified/made on the forums?

I hadn't, really, but if that's something anybody would be interested in, I can.

I basically took out Reflect, Defensive Circle and the other Force talents and swapped them with Body Guard/Improved Body Guard/Confidence and Heroic Fortitude.

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

Now that's an awesome idea, RPG heaven for a good roleplayer. Have you thought about sharing the talent tree you have modified/made on the forums?

I was thinking that a Jedi brain going into a droid would allow limited force use, but it better have a good back story to justify it.

I hadn't, really, but if that's something anybody would be interested in, I can.

I basically took out Reflect, Defensive Circle and the other Force talents and swapped them with Body Guard/Improved Body Guard/Confidence and Heroic Fortitude.

I would post it, To me it is an awesome way to bring new ideas up and i think you have a brilliant idea.

I would say whats in your spoiler is great, but make him think he can still use it, like I said repulsors and such.

Sam said you can buy force trees but you gain no benefit from the force talents. But there are plenty of other talents that you would be able to benefit from. I would think that Grievous is an example of this.

and pg 275 last paragraph

"Players should be aware of additional limitations to

becoming Force sensitive as well. For example, the Droid

species cannot become Force sensitive, and certain other

species open to player characters have similar limitations

(this is listed in a species' specific entry). Because

these species cannot become Force sensitive, they cannot

select the Force Sensitive Exile specialization.. "

Oh cool, I missed that paragraph (away from book, at the moment).

If that's what it says for FS Exile, I wonder if it says that for FS Emergent too. I don't think the F&D specs have that limitation.

and pg 275 last paragraph

"Players should be aware of additional limitations to

becoming Force sensitive as well. For example, the Droid

species cannot become Force sensitive, and certain other

species open to player characters have similar limitations

(this is listed in a species' specific entry). Because

these species cannot become Force sensitive, they cannot

select the Force Sensitive Exile specialization.. "

Oh cool, I missed that paragraph (away from book, at the moment).

If that's what it says for FS Exile, I wonder if it says that for FS Emergent too. I don't think the F&D specs have that limitation

I would say raw no. Sam saying yes, but its not beneficial means no you are wasting your XP but go ahead.

If Grevious was a Jedi prior to becoming what he is would he be able to use the Force?

I think some good ideas were posted above to kind of justify somethings, making role playing challenging and fun though.

Grevous didn't have any special lightsaber talents, if you got four arms and spin two lighstabers as buzzsaws you don't need any either. I'd let droids use lightsabers, but the force? nonono...

I'd go with no, a Droid doesn't have a connection to the Force so it can't benifit from anything related to it, at least mechanically. Why would you want to anyway? My guess is to get Lightsabler Talents or some other such Munchkinism...

Well yes, and you know who else bought into Force specializations they couldn't use just for the Lightsaber talents? That's right!

Now are you calling a four-armed, six-limbed warrior that dual-dual wields lightsabres and has had every soft part of his body replaced with armour a munchkin? Are you?

EDIT: Well, double-ninja'd. I should read the whole thread before posting. But hey - I had a picture!

I'd go with no, a Droid doesn't have a connection to the Force so it can't benifit from anything related to it, at least mechanically. Why would you want to anyway? My guess is to get Lightsabler Talents or some other such Munchkinism...

Well yes, and you know who else bought into Force specializations they couldn't use just for the Lightsaber talents? That's right!

Now are you calling a four-armed, six-limbed warrior that dual-dual wields lightsabres and has had every soft part of his body replaced with armour a munchkin? Are you?

Well he did have that hacking cough, obviously thats a Disadvantage that totaly balances him out.

Grevous didn't have any special lightsaber talents, if you got four arms and spin two lighstabers as buzzsaws you don't need any either. I'd let droids use lightsabers, but the force? nonono...

Sorry Robin, I know that . I was asking what if Grevous was a Jedi prior , he has his brain and lungs still. Not that he was a Jedi. A brain and lungs would be living but the rest wouldn't so he could possibly use limited Force abilities, like Vader, but Vader had more body left than Grevous

Looking at the char sheets light saber is a skill, but you have fighting styles that are part of the tree. So anyone can use the talents. Still doesn't answer the question about if a brain was transferred to a droid body.

If he still has his organic brain he should be able to (still) use the force.

Altough it might be made more difficult the more cybernetics you have. (Kinda like humanity Vs cyber inplants in shadowrun/cyberpunk)

There's a droid in my current game who believes that he is a Jedi* and I've allowed him to spec into modified versions of select 'Jedi' trees that replace the Force talents with Non-Force talents.

The droid's player wants to play a paladin-esque melee character, and prior to FaD, he'd been a Marauder, which never really matched the flavor of the character.

Now that's an awesome idea, RPG heaven for a good roleplayer. Have you thought about sharing the talent tree you have modified/made on the forums?

I was thinking that a Jedi brain going into a droid would allow limited force use, but it better have a good back story to justify it.

I hadn't, really, but if that's something anybody would be interested in, I can.

I basically took out Reflect, Defensive Circle and the other Force talents and swapped them with Body Guard/Improved Body Guard/Confidence and Heroic Fortitude.

I would post it, To me it is an awesome way to bring new ideas up and i think you have a brilliant idea.

I would say whats in your spoiler is great, but make him think he can still use it, like I said repulsors and such.

Parry Parry Toughened D. Stance

v v

S. Technique <> Body Guard <> Grit Grit

v v v v

Confidence <> Imp. Parry <> H. Fortitude Parry

v v v v

Parry <> Confidence <> Body Guard <> D. Stance

v v

Enduring <> N. Blademaster <> Dedication <> Imp. Body Guard

I may revise this once I see if Improve Body Guard/Improved Parry work a little too well with one another. I think it's a neat combo but I worry that it's an abusive one.

* Yes, Soresu Technique is a Force Talent, but I'm handwaving that one.

I think I made a faux pas in my generator I'm letting droids pick FaD careers, which they shouldn't be allowed to. Next release...

The way it works (as far as I know) is that droids can't choose specializations (and now careers) that give a FR. They can choose FaD specializations, because they don't give a FR. They can buy Force talents in them, but they can't benefit from the Force talents.