Heya

Have been looking through the book, at the specialisations and careers, and have been able to account for almost all of the canon lightsaber technique/styles. Except one, maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I cannot find a Vaapad/ Juyo.

Help my guys, your my only hope. And deva if you see this, then come on get with it, Vaapad is like the staple style for sith, and classic with dual bladed Sabres.

Also, what's you favourite style, does it personify or correctly embody what the style is described as, and what changes would you make to it?

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/123268-the-missing-lightsaber-forms-where-would-they-go/

Juyo is more likely to show up in a later sourcebook than in the core rulebook, most likely the one for Warrior since there's a certain symmetry to the Warrior career having both Shii-Cho (the most basic and rudimentary of the Forms) and Juyo (the pinnacle of the Forms).

Vaapad was Mace Windu's pet Form, and thus unlikely to show up at all since of the three Masters that knew the Form, they all wound up dead. At most, we might see a Vaapad-themed talent or two in the Juyo specialization, but I wouldn't get my hopes up on seeing a full-blown Vaapad Form spec.

There's also no Jar'Kai Form spec, which though derived from Niman is different enough to warrant being considered it's own Form, and I believe there's even been an Ataru-based derivative of Jar'Kai, which was what Anakin briefly used against Count Dooku during their match in AotC.

Vaapad was Mace Windu's pet Form, and thus unlikely to show up at all since of the three Masters that knew the Form, they all wound up dead. At most, we might see a Vaapad-themed talent or two in the Juyo specialization, but I wouldn't get my hopes up on seeing a full-blown Vaapad Form spec.

Vapaad is also Darth Vader's (as opposed to Anakin's) style.

Vaapad was Mace Windu's pet Form, and thus unlikely to show up at all since of the three Masters that knew the Form, they all wound up dead. At most, we might see a Vaapad-themed talent or two in the Juyo specialization, but I wouldn't get my hopes up on seeing a full-blown Vaapad Form spec.

Vapaad is also Darth Vader's (as opposed to Anakin's) style.

No, Vader was still using Form V/Djem So/Shien as his foundation style, though he dropped the Form IV/Ataru elements from his pre-armor days in favor of Form I/Shii-Cho elements to accommodate his lack of mobility and greater need to protect his center.

Vader's apprentice used Juyo, and Darth Maul used a Sith variant of Juyo, but none of the three ever made use of Vaapad, which again was Mace Windu's personal creation that he only shared with two Jedi Masters (Sora Bulk and Depa Billaba).

The only instance of Vader using Form VII was as a guest fighter in Soul Caliber, which I'd hardly consider a reliable source for what Vader is truly capable of, and was more than likely a goof on the programmers' part given he's one of the poster childs for Form V.

Although I have to say, Being able to play Vader in a fighting game was AWESOME!! and while the form used may have been a goof, the style he had seemed very vader in terms of his reduced mobility, compared to his apprentice or yoda.

I loved gripping people in that game.

I would point out Vapaad was also stolen by the grey Jedi Quinlan Vos(If I am spelling his name anywhere near correctly). Don't think he had a chance to master it ever, but I do recall he's noted as one of the few Jedi to have learned it. He could be another source of it.

Though on the subject of Form V, I was sorta disappointed at Djem So 's representation in the game. Didn't really come across as very much like the form, aside from the Falling Avalanche Talent. As much of an xp sink as FaD PCs already are, being able to re-engage a foe seemed really weak.

I believe, now don't quote me on the his, my Star Wars is weak on EU stuff, but Quinlan Vos only got to learn the bare basics, when it came to Vaapad.

And Donovan, you mention forms like jar'kai, I cantbsay I've heard much of this or many of the others you mention, are these more towards EU.

Yeah, Quinlan Vos only learned the barest of the basics of Vaapad from Sora Bulq, who was one of the two Jedi Masters that assisted Mace Windu in developing Vaapad in the first place. And Sora did so with the intent of making sure that Quinlan fell to the dark side and stayed there. When Quinlan used what little bit of Vaapad he'd learned in a sparring match with Mace Windu, the older Jedi Master quickly shut him down and explained the whole "channeling your inner darkness" element which Sora had willfully neglected to pass along. After which, Quinlan generally left Vaapad out of his combat style so as to avoid falling into the same trap that had caused two Jedi Masters to fall to the dark side.

As far as a Vaapad-based talent goes, probably just stick it in the 5th Row of the Juyo Form spec, call it Vaapad Technique, and allow the user to add Advantage up to their rank in Discipline upon making a successful Lightsaber combat check, but that you also gain an equal amount of Conflict when doing so to account for having to draw upon one's inner darkness to properly employ Vaapad's ferocity in combat. So with Discipline 4, you could gain up to 4 Advantage on a successful Lightsaber combat check, but would also gain 4 Conflict as well.

Yeah, Donovan that sounds great, but I would love to see a deeper mechanical effect on the use of Vaapad in that case, ecspecially given the styles history of fallen masters, something that would have some form of morality side effects. Maybe I'm going off the deepend, but it would be kind of cool to have a style that could push you into the greyer or darker side of the moral scale. One thats talents would probably be used out of desperation.

When the going gets tough, the tough use a possibly morally ambiguous lightsaber style.

Yeah, Donovan that sounds great, but I would love to see a deeper mechanical effect on the use of Vaapad in that case, ecspecially given the styles history of fallen masters, something that would have some form of morality side effects. Maybe I'm going off the deepend, but it would be kind of cool to have a style that could push you into the greyer or darker side of the moral scale. One thats talents would probably be used out of desperation.

When the going gets tough, the tough use a possibly morally ambiguous lightsaber style.

Well again, Vaapad wasn't a commonly known or practiced style, being itself a variant of the already not-widely used Juyo Form. Only three people had actually "mastered" it and one Knight got very limited (and biased) instruction in it. During the Rebellion Era, it's pretty much a dead Form since the three masters that did exist all perished with no viable successors. The six Forms that did get specs have existed for centuries, if not millennia, and as such had been extensively taught and documented to the point that the loss of the Jedi Order wouldn't be the death-knell to the first six Forms.

There is one way I can see them adding vaapad into the game and having it work with the lore. A holocron. There is nothing stating Mace never made a holocron, so there could be one out there. So the only way I could even see it coming into play is if they make specific holocrons that can be found or awarded. So for example, adding in exar kuns, or yodas, or hell even revans holocron in game. Then set up different levels of research, so on hitting lets say level 5 of delving into the holocron, you can learn this form, or a force ability, or whatever. Sorry about spelling, my tablet doesnt really work well for this lol. Does this make sense though?