I recently was checking out the Star Wars RPG and discovered they have a special die for character's that have the force. Why not give character's in X-Wing like Vader and Luke a special die. Granted Vader, Luke, and Katarn would be the only characters that could use it, but it would make them more special in battle as all force users are.

Just a thought.

Because there's no point in making a special die that only a very small number of characters can use? Luke has his pesudo-focus abilities (both crew and pilot) to represent using the force, and that's a much better solution than adding a whole new die mechanic that hardly anyone uses.

Free focus effects on dice are a force stand-in I always thought. Luke gets free defensive focus in his x wing and free offensive focus as crew. Think that makes that new deci pilot a sith O.o

Gahhh you left out Corran.

Not to mention out of all 6 movies when were "Force" powers ever used in starfighter combat? Only once when Luke shut off his targeting computer. Still even then Han had to save him from Darth Vader's "I Have You NOW!" which was more of a target lock then a force power.

I think Force Powers are better in ground combat and role playing than in X-wing miniatures.

Not to mention out of all 6 movies when were "Force" powers ever used in starfighter combat? Only once when Luke shut off his targeting computer. Still even then Han had to save him from Darth Vader's "I Have You NOW!" which was more of a target lock then a force power.

I think Force Powers are better in ground combat and role playing than in X-wing miniatures.

Actually I guess it was just Plo-Kloon you see piloting, don't know why I said numerous.

A pilot's aptitude with the force, as it applies to flying, is already incorporated into their abilities. There's no reason to add another dimension to the game when it functions fine as is.

Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke, and numerous other Jedi seen piloting fighters in the prequel were all using the force while piloting.

And that's all non-canon fanfiction, so it isn't really relevant.

It's why Anakin and Luke were such good pilots.

But were they really good pilots? In two battles Luke gets shot down once and almost dies several times, while all we see Vader do is drop in behind defenseless targets and execute them before getting tunnel vision on his target and almost dying. Meanwhile it's Wedge who becomes the rebellion's top ace, without any help at all from the force.

It's just not in the game. There are no gravity effects, Fuel Consuption, or relative orientation rules either. I'm not saying any of those rules are bad in and of themselves. I am sure there could be a fun Star Wars Fighter game that had some "force" Rules, but this game just doesn't have them. Asking why just doesn't make much sense.

Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke, and numerous other Jedi seen piloting fighters in the prequel were all using the force while piloting.

And that's all non-canon fanfiction, so it isn'insinuatingelevant.

It's why Anakin and Luke were such good pilots.

But were they really good pilots? In two battles Luke gets shot down once and almost dies several times, while all we see Vader do is drop in behind defenseless targets and execute them before getting tunnel vision on his target and almost dying. Meanwhile it's Wedge who becomes the rebellion's top ace, without any help at all from the force.

Well if you take into account Obi-Wan saying that Anakin was the best star pilot in the galaxy, and that Biggs claims Luke as being the best bush pilot in the outer rim, then yeah, I would say there is canoned evidence of them being great pilots. Granted they may have been exagerating, but still its insinuating that they have great skill. Plus in the ROTS, and in the Clone Wars cartoon, which is canon, shows many examples of Anakins great piloting skills. They tune into the force while flying which helps guide them. Hence Obi telling Luke to turn off his targeting computer.

Luke is just some farmboy, not a top ace. Yet, he's up there at PS8. I attribute that to his force prowess.
Likewise, Anakin is only such a good pilot because of the force, as we see when he's podracing. They're good pilots, but the force is what makes them good. Take away that, they might be terrible

I don't think they should add a new factor into the game to account for force sensitivity though. I think that their force gained advantages are represented by their card stats. Makes the game less complicated. One of my favorite aspects of this game is its simplicity. My feeble mind couldn't handle more rules.

Luke is just some farmboy, not a top ace. Yet, he's up there at PS8. I attribute that to his force prowess.

Likewise, Anakin is only such a good pilot because of the force, as we see when he's podracing. They're good pilots, but the force is what makes them good. Take away that, they might be terrible

Well actually, according to the Star Wars universe, the force guides everyone. Its just that some people are sensative to it and some are not. If you took Lukes abilities to 'control' the force away, which is how he was before meeting Obi, then he would still have the force guiding him. The force is even guiding Wedge. He just doesn't know it, or know how to tune into it and control it. Luke was a good pilot even before meeting Obi, as Biggs detested. It was convincing enough that the Rebellion entrusted Luke with one of their precious X-Wings and allowed him to take part in the frontal assault along with their top aces.

Why? It would mess up the meta and give force users an unfair advantage. Isn't it enough Darth Vadar gets two actions with no stress and The Vadar crew can just give a crit to a ship that was just attacked by the ship he is in.

Luke has his auto soft focus on defense and auto soft focus attack as a crew. Corran can shoot twice in a round. Mara Jade can cause all enemy ships within 1 range to be stressed automatically. Kyle Katarn gives focus tokens to friends like it's candy.

Wasn't Carnor Jax a Sith lord or something? I guess you could explain his anti-focus shenigans as him doing things to your mind. But yeah, if they were going to give unique dice or something to Force users that would have needed to happen back when they were developing the game. This many expansions and named characters in, it's too late to make that kind of fundamental change.

Wasn't Carnor Jax a Sith lord or something?

IIRC, he was one of the Emperor's Guards, and trained to use the Force, but not a Sith.

Umm... R2-d2 is the best pilot in the galaxy. Anakin and Luke aren't flying anything! Turned off targeting computer?!?!? HA! There's a little droid there that thinks its a bad idea and turns it back on. Vader shoots what again in the trench? R2-d2. Vader knows what's up. Little Ani taking out a Capitol class ship his first time in space...I think not... R2-d2 did that too. Look through a lot of the EU and you see R2-d2 "taking over" piloting. Little toaster is the best in the galaxy.

And forum search "elite dice" for lots of discussion about how this could work and why/why not

Don't forget Keyan is a Jedi too!

I think it's clear that FFG took the Force into consideration when coming up with some of the pilot abilities. There's no need for a new mechanic in the game for them.

I always thought the focus mechanic in the game represented the force. It works on defense and offence, it requires concentration (or an action in this sense) and could make or break your fate.

May the Focus Tokens be with you!

I thnk it's kind of a cool idea since they are so much better then peole without the force. Might be something ghtey can add in the future.

I recently was checking out the Star Wars RPG and discovered they have a special die for character's that have the force. Why not give character's in X-Wing like Vader and Luke a special die. Granted Vader, Luke, and Katarn would be the only characters that could use it, but it would make them more special in battle as all force users are.

Just a thought.

1. It would be pointless and

2. Corran also has the Force. So does Keyan Farlander and Maarek Steele.

Good idea OP!

Advanced rules and rules which incorporate the force would be welcome additions to the game, especially to those of us who aren't interested in the tournament side and prefer more details and scenarios.

I kinda feel that FFG used a pilots ability to represent their force sensitivity. Every pilot that had the force in some capacity(Luke, Vader, Steele, Katarn, Horn, and Jax) all have focus/shooting centered abilities. I agree that FFG uses the focus action/token to represent the force and pilots with the force usually affect focus in some way