4 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

And that tells us all we need to know about your position on the subject.

Not sure if you're looking at this as some sort of just-so "space magic", or working bass-ackwards from game effects ( "disable tech" ) to the source material, but the fact that you can't be bothered to care, doesn't in any way make it not matter.

You have it backwards.

It doesn't matter because it's utterly irrelevant to the story. And I don't care because it doesn't matter.

3 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

You have it backwards.

It doesn't matter because it's utterly irrelevant to the story. And I don't care because it doesn't matter.

"Not relevant to the story".

Wow, OK.

I guess some people just don't care about competent storycraft, internal coherence, or even passable worldbuilding.

I think the problem with this episode, is that it was attempting to be humorous episode after a series of 'serious' episodes.

Personally, I think the first half of the episode was good, but the ending felt rushed, like they wrote themselves into a corner (or a cargo bay in this case) and decided not to re-write anything.

36 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

"Not relevant to the story".

Wow, OK.

I guess some people just don't care about competent storycraft, internal coherence, or even passable worldbuilding.

I care more about any of those than about ions not used during a stars war. Which is what you're talking about.

14 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

ions not used during a stars war.

Awesome.

Strange noone talked about an astromech droid using dual pistols ?

This part lost me actually

1 hour ago, Rosco74 said:

Strange noone talked about an astromech droid using dual pistols ?

This part lost me actually

You mean an astromech using dual pistols, again? Chopper has used blasters like that a number of times in the series.

Ok I didn't remember, but this time it sounds... strange

I would have preferred it if the Chopper overloaded the Cyber Brain implant instead, leaving all the other operators looking at the smoking remains of where a head once was...but that isn't in spirit of Rebels I guess

Judicious use of Bad Motivator and a Destiny Point?

There are no "destiny points" or "bad motivators" in the fiction.

"Twin Suns" is watchable early on the Disney XD app. Understated to say that this is definitely not a filler episode. Loved it beginning to end.

That was different.

Any good?

20 minutes ago, Vestij Jai Galaar said:

Any good?

Very.

Since this is a spoilers thread I'm going to get into spoilers from thus point onwards.

The first half was slow moving. Obi-Wan was great. His duel with Maul was fantastic, as fast as a gun duel but with swords. As many have pointed out on Reddit, Obi-Wan learned how to stop that stupid hilt to the face trick Maul used to kill Qui-Gon. The form 3 and 4 stances were a great touch.

Ezra is still an idiot. Unfortunately for all the growing he did in seasons 1 and 2, he seems to have a bit of a stunted growth in maturity in season 3. I kinda wish they kept him on the dark path instead of bringing that to a close in the first episode of the season. That would at least explain why he always disobeys orders if he's trying to be all dark and edgy.

Maul's lines at the end of the episode were sad since we've seen how much he's been wronged by others but he's still of the Sith mindset of revenge. He seems to try to connect with Obi-Wan here but it's clear old Ben doesn't necessarily feel the same.

Obi-Wan believes Luke to be the chosen one. I love this.

5 minutes ago, GroggyGolem said:

Since this is a spoilers thread I'm going to get into spoilers from thus point onwards.

The first half was slow moving. Obi-Wan was great. His duel with Maul was fantastic, as fast as a gun duel but with swords. As many have pointed out on Reddit, Obi-Wan learned how to stop that stupid hilt to the face trick Maul used to kill Qui-Gon. The form 3 and 4 stances were a great touch.

I love the prequel and Clone Wars duels with all the crazy leaping and spinning sabers, but this one was so well done, so perfectly simple and simply perfect, that it just blew me away.

And they really worked to bring out the emotional context of the situation. I love that Obi-Wan didn't ignite his saber until Maul pieced together that Obi-Wan was on Tatooine to protect someone. Obi-Wan is to utterly beyond revenge. He would have let Maul walk, I think. But then Maul signed his own death sentence when he threatened Luke. You could see Obi-Wan come to the decision to kill Maul, and not out of anger.

5 minutes ago, GroggyGolem said:

Ezra is still an idiot. Unfortunately for all the growing he did in seasons 1 and 2, he seems to have a bit of a stunted growth in maturity in season 3. I kinda wish they kept him on the dark path instead of bringing that to a close in the first episode of the season. That would at least explain why he always disobeys orders if he's trying to be all dark and edgy.

Isn't he basically a teenager? Expecting him to obey orders is optimistic, I think.

"He will avenge us."

Interesting to see that the Sith believed in the chosen one prophecy too.

3 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Isn't he basically a teenager? Expecting him to obey orders is optimistic, I think.

Certainly depends on the person but I obeyed all my superiors as a teen. Not everyone thinks as far ahead to what the end result of things will be as I do though. Ezra just seems to be overly rebellious to his superiors and those who have his best interest at heart. It's just a step back from the amount of growth he had before, this season has mostly been about him screwing up because he doesn't want to listen to people & everyone else resolving issues instead of him. He kind of peaked at the season beginning it seems.

This was practically a non-episode. The characters that form the core of the show don't really do anything of significance, not even Ezra (who isn't much more than an observer, and not even much of that really). Instead, we get a scene of closure for Maul's story arc, but I haven't cared about him since TPM. This reminds me of terrible RPG sessions where the PCs just watch NPC on NPC action. Boring and pointless to the overall story of Rebels. Let's get on to the battle for Lothal already.

4 hours ago, GroggyGolem said:

Certainly depends on the person but I obeyed all my superiors as a teen. Not everyone thinks as far ahead to what the end result of things will be as I do though. Ezra just seems to be overly rebellious to his superiors and those who have his best interest at heart. It's just a step back from the amount of growth he had before, this season has mostly been about him screwing up because he doesn't want to listen to people & everyone else resolving issues instead of him. He kind of peaked at the season beginning it seems.

I don't know if it's about thinking ahead. I doubt either one of us was a teen living under an oppressive military regime that had killed our parents while we were young and impressionable. I look at what he's been through, and I see a young man with all the reasons to have a strong rebellious streak.

I loved that how you're sitting there thinking "holy crap, this is going to be an epic throwdown the likes of which we've never seen!" and then BAM - a one swing (well, three swings) victory. That's a playbook straight out of Seven Samurai, and the sword master Kyuzo. And the ending, Maul being cradled by Kenobi - it's clear that he's not that young hothead from the Clone Wars, but someone who has been enlightened by his reflective time in the desert. Meanwhile Maul hasn't changed on bit, still a broken and lost soul. Kenobi is willing to forgive this horrible person while Maul, still stuck in the past at the point of his failure, asks for vengeance against the Sith who destroyed his life. That's way more powerful than just a lightsaber fight.

And Ezra, who has all season long been focused on finding power - in this context adding Kenobi into the Rebellion's bag of tricks, adding Kenobi's power to their own - goes out into this nothingness, this almost like a purification ritual, both physical and spiritual. Traveling through fire and coming out the other side enlightened. Meanwhile Maul faces the same test and goes mad. It'll be interesting to see where they go with Ezra now in season 4 that he's been refocused.

And can we talk about how Stephen Stanton utterly crushed it as Kenobi? I swore it sounded like they looped Guinness in a couple of spots. And that closing shot with the music? Beautiful. This was an aces episode all around!

As for Ezra, he's got an upbringing that is pretty darn foreign to most of denizens of a first world country. Abandoned on the streets at 7, forced to routinely commit theft just to survive, and with an oppressive government that will harshly punish even the mildest infraction if the officer's in a petty mood (and it seems most Imperial officers are). He's also got psychic powers that in our world would make him a bonafide superhero, which probably also inflates his self-image seeing as how he's gone from powerless street rat to powerful Jedi-in-training.

So not too surprising that he'd strike out on his own if he feels that the reason is important enough and that nobody else is taking the matter seriously enough for his liking. Boy might act cheerful and upbeat most of the time, but he's got some pretty deep psychological scars as well as a not-very-healthy vendetta against the Empire and by extension the Sith. So if he thinks that Maul (an ex-Sith) is out there about to destroy the one chance to get rid of the Sith, then I'm not the least bit surprised that Ezra acted against orders and went off to do his own thing. While he may not be as blatant about it as he was at the start of season 3. Ezra's still got issues from having tapped into that Sith holocron for knowledge; he's not full-blown "ends justify the means" but he's willing to employ certain means that a season or two earlier he'd have been uncomfortable even thinking about.

10 hours ago, Desslok said:

I loved that how you're sitting there thinking "holy crap, this is going to be an epic throwdown the likes of which we've never seen!" and then BAM - a one swing (well, three swings) victory. That's a playbook straight out of Seven Samurai, and the sword master Kyuzo. And the ending, Maul being cradled by Kenobi - it's clear that he's not that young hothead from the Clone Wars, but someone who has been enlightened by his reflective time in the desert. Meanwhile Maul hasn't changed on bit, still a broken and lost soul. Kenobi is willing to forgive this horrible person while Maul, still stuck in the past at the point of his failure, asks for vengeance against the Sith who destroyed his life. That's way more powerful than just a lightsaber fight.

And Ezra, who has all season long been focused on finding power - in this context adding Kenobi into the Rebellion's bag of tricks, adding Kenobi's power to their own - goes out into this nothingness, this almost like a purification ritual, both physical and spiritual. Traveling through fire and coming out the other side enlightened. Meanwhile Maul faces the same test and goes mad. It'll be interesting to see where they go with Ezra now in season 4 that he's been refocused.

And can we talk about how Stephen Stanton utterly crushed it as Kenobi? I swore it sounded like they looped Guinness in a couple of spots. And that closing shot with the music? Beautiful. This was an aces episode all around!

I too liked that the final Kenobi vs. Maul fight was over so quickly. It really showed how Kenobi had grown and moved on, where Maul was rooted in the past and unable to grow. That and the fact we saw Maul struggling with the Inquisitors in the Season 2 finale while Kenobi was still able to hold his own against Darth Vader had me suspecting from the outset that this wasn't going to be some major lightsaber battle.

And yeah, the voicework for Old Kenobi was spot on.

After the stinker that was last week's episode (am I the only one that thinks the droid-centric episodes have been sub-par?), this was a very welcome change of pace. Hopefully Master Kenobi's advice will be what's needed for Ezra to truly start maturing. Like you said, Ezra's been focused on power in some form or another, so having Obi-Wan pretty much spell out where Ezra's been misguided of late will hopefully stick.

I like the episode except once again for Ezra. So for 3 seasons now he's been able to deflect blaster bolts except apparently on Tatooine against sand people. Other than Ezra has regressed in his skills the last 2 episodes this one was interesting. I also liked the one hitter quitter end to Maul. I really like how the episode ended and faded to the real soundtrack.