6 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Thrawn *must* have realized that the map got changed, right?

Honestly, judging by his answer to the Stormtrooper's question, I don't think he knows that the map was changed. The tone of his voice sounded a bit surprised when he thought the map would have been altered but it wasn't because he didn't see the change.

Where does Kallus stash his own code cylinder? He doesn't have a nice little pocket for it like other Imperial officers.

File this one under useless nitpicking

46 minutes ago, Tom Cruise said:

Where does Kallus stash his own code cylinder? He doesn't have a nice little pocket for it like other Imperial officers.

File this one under useless nitpicking

Who says he has no pockets? The small pocket could be under the chest armor. Or he could have it up the forearm part of his gloves. Or, the old fashioned pocket in the pants.

5 hours ago, T70 Driver said:

Honestly, judging by his answer to the Stormtrooper's question, I don't think he knows that the map was changed. The tone of his voice sounded a bit surprised when he thought the map would have been altered but it wasn't because he didn't see the change.

Or, he didn't feel a need to let some lowly Stormtrooper know that he was aware the map had been changed. There weren't that many names on it and given his memory and attention to detail, I doubt he doesn't know which one has been altered.

Or he has a slicer run a simple data edit report and undoes the last edit. What? Are we supposed to believe that Kallus is a slicer supreme?

7 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Or he has a slicer run a simple data edit report and undoes the last edit. What? Are we supposed to believe that Kallus is a slicer supreme?

Kallus' slicing skills would be relevant if he'd made the edit instead of Chopper.

7 hours ago, whafrog said:

Fun episode. I liked some of the technical details, in addition to the officer's code cylinders:

"We can't get the clearance codes from any port, we'll have to find an officer's port."

Well, that would help address concerns of a PC slicer simply jacking into the nearest port and simply dredging up whatever information they want. Or at least, not able to do so without having to face a substantial increase in the difficulty of the check.

8 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Kallus' slicing skills would be relevant if he'd made the edit instead of Chopper.

Very true.

Though I suspect Thrawn either has a back-up copy, or (more likely from a narrative standpoint) his attention to detail will allow him to notice that one (or more) planets were erased once he's got time to sit down and actual review the map. From the scene in question, he was in a bit of a hurry, and probably just did a quick check to see if the core data was still present. Since he saw multiple planets showing up in red, he didn't investigate further at that moment as he had more pressing things to worry about.

But unless Chopper changed a whole bunch of planets during the short time he had access to the map, odds are good Thrawn's going to notice there's one planet that's now missing, especially given his rather precise and exacting attention to details.

Just now, Donovan Morningfire said:

Very true.

Though I suspect Thrawn either has a back-up copy, or (more likely from a narrative standpoint) his attention to detail will allow him to notice that one (or more) planets were erased once he's got time to sit down and actual review the map. From the scene in question, he was in a bit of a hurry, and probably just did a quick check to see if the core data was still present. Since he saw multiple planets showing up in red, he didn't investigate further at that moment as he had more pressing things to worry about.

But unless Chopper changed a whole bunch of planets during the short time he had access to the map, odds are good Thrawn's going to notice there's one planet that's now missing, especially given his rather precise and exacting attention to details.

Oh, I certainly agree there. From what we saw, one red was deleted and another inserted. I expect someone with Thrawn's eye for detail to notice the change (unless more was changed than we were shown).

2 hours ago, Tom Cruise said:

Where does Kallus stash his own code cylinder? He doesn't have a nice little pocket for it like other Imperial officers.

File this one under useless nitpicking

So here's some useful nitpicking.

When Kallus goes to the detention level & lets Ezra out of his cell using List's code cylinder, the security cameras were shown to be on until he entered the code cylinder.

This means that rather than Thrawn being such a genius and figuring things out based on the art and getting into the heads of people, anyone could have figured Kallus is Fulcrum.

Check the security tapes at the time of List accessing the prisoner cell. See Kallus with List's cylinder just before it shuts off. See List elsewhere in the ship, following Governor Pryce & Thrawn to the detention level. Realize Kallus is Fulcrum.

This brings me to believe that the Empire does not actually have security cameras everywhere and what we see in Rebels are those false security cameras, to make the troops and officers believe that they are being watched. In reality, they are not being watched, otherwise that would have been the first place that Thrawn checked when he thought something was suspicious.

The only time we've seen actual footage recorded of the Rebels on Lothal is with either Viper Probe Droids or those little security droids that Kallus have used or the ones that Seventh Sister used.

Therefore, I am positing that all Imperial security cameras that are not part of droids are actually false cameras, used as a scare tactic for the low level personnel and to warn off any spies in their midst. It could be a budgetary thing, since the Empire loves going with the quantity over quality approach.

2 hours ago, GroggyGolem said:

Therefore, I am positing that all Imperial security cameras that are not part of droids are actually false cameras, used as a scare tactic for the low level personnel and to warn off any spies in their midst. It could be a budgetary thing, since the Empire loves going with the quantity over quality approach.

Or perhaps they're only monitored a certain percentage of the time. Instead of a pair of eyes on every camera every waking moment, camera A gets monitored 30% of the time, camera B gets monitored 30% of the time, camera C gets monitored 30% of the time, and camera D is monitored 10%. Cuts down on the manhours (or processing time, in the case of automation) and still gives coverage - plus nobody knows what camera is hot at the time.

If those cameras have recording capability, then whether they are monitored or not is far less relevant. Sure, you might not pick up the discrepancy immediately, but you have lots of crew that can sit and review tapes when you need it.

It's one of those things which you have to ignore a lot of the time. Every story that treats modern or SF surveillance realistically quickly becomes just about that due to the sheer prevalence of cameras and other recording devices.

A lot of detailed nitpicking. To be expected I guess.

But we should know the Chopper Base will fall and Kallus is not long for the Empire. Thrawn knows the data was changed and can go back to find out where, he is That good. But he's patient, he's not in a rush because he doesn't want to make a mistake. He had his suspicions of Kallus long before but waited until he could turn Fulcrum to his advantage. And he told No One! Now is he going to share important information with anyone about the Rebel's location? Not in his character.

Chopper base is doomed, but the Rebels should know the Empire is close to finding them and they shouldn't get too comfortable. But this is a TV show and suspense is needed. So real life reactions isn't what's going to happen. But let's watch Thrawn closely for his next move. He's looking to lay a trap for the season finale.

10 minutes ago, Beatty said:

A lot of detailed nitpicking. To be expected I guess.

But we should know the Chopper Base will fall and Kallus is not long for the Empire. Thrawn knows the data was changed and can go back to find out where, he is That good. But he's patient, he's not in a rush because he doesn't want to make a mistake. He had his suspicions of Kallus long before but waited until he could turn Fulcrum to his advantage. And he told No One! Now is he going to share important information with anyone about the Rebel's location? Not in his character.

Chopper base is doomed, but the Rebels should know the Empire is close to finding them and they shouldn't get too comfortable. But this is a TV show and suspense is needed. So real life reactions isn't what's going to happen. But let's watch Thrawn closely for his next move. He's looking to lay a trap for the season finale.

Yeah, Chopper Base is doomed.

I've said it before, but with Mon Mothma entering the picture, I think we'll see the Ghost crew/Phoenix Squadron drawn into the core of the growing Alliance, and will establish their new base on Dantooine.

30 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Yeah, Chopper Base is doomed.

I've said it before, but with Mon Mothma entering the picture, I think we'll see the Ghost crew/Phoenix Squadron drawn into the core of the growing Alliance, and will establish their new base on Dantooine.

I would love to see Dantooine actually appear in the canon. That would be great.

On 2/27/2017 at 1:13 PM, GroggyGolem said:

I would love to see Dantooine actually appear in the canon. That would be great.

Ask and ye shall receive!

Also apparently I've been pronouncing Chandrila wrong all these years.

11 minutes ago, Desslok said:

Ask and ye shall receive!

Also apparently I've been pronouncing Chandrila wrong all these years.

10/10 expectations exceeded.

On 2/27/2017 at 2:13 PM, GroggyGolem said:

I would love to see Dantooine actually appear in the canon. That would be great.

Dantooine is in the canon. It's from the first movie where Leia gives up the location to Vader and Tarkin. As was remarked "Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration - but don't worry; we will deal with your rebel friends soon enough."

and followed later by "Our scout ships have reached Dantooine. They found the remains of a Rebel base, but they estimate that it has been deserted for some time. They are now conducting an extensive search of the surrounding systems."

So, given that Rebels links right into Rogue One (supposedly the VCX100 seen briefly onscreen is Hera and the Ghost) which has the rebels on Yavin already, I suspect they've already abandoned Dantooine by this point.

5 minutes ago, Kallabecca said:

Dantooine is in the canon. It's from the first movie where Leia gives up the location to Vader and Tarkin. As was remarked "Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration - but don't worry; we will deal with your rebel friends soon enough."

and followed later by "Our scout ships have reached Dantooine. They found the remains of a Rebel base, but they estimate that it has been deserted for some time. They are now conducting an extensive search of the surrounding systems."

So, given that Rebels links right into Rogue One (supposedly the VCX100 seen briefly onscreen is Hera and the Ghost) which has the rebels on Yavin already, I suspect they've already abandoned Dantooine by this point.

Gonna repeat what I said, with added emphasis.

I would love to see Dantooine actually appear in the canon. That would be great.

It looks like I may get what I wanted. Either way, I'm excited for Saturday's episode!

1 hour ago, Kallabecca said:

So, given that Rebels links right into Rogue One (supposedly the VCX100 seen briefly onscreen is Hera and the Ghost) which has the rebels on Yavin already, I suspect they've already abandoned Dantooine by this point.

No "supposedly" about it. (Not to mention Hera being paged as "General Syndulla" at the Massassi base, as well as Chopper rolling across the screen when Mon Mothma is informed that the fleet has left for Scarif.)

Keep in mind, though, that there's still roughly two years to go story-wise in between the current point of Rebels and Rogue One/Star Wars. (This is from the Rebels timeline references available from LFL, alongside the timeline in the Rogue One Visual Dictionary that establishes Mon Mothma openly speaking out against the Empire and going on the run two years before R1/ANH...which seems to sync up perfectly with the upcoming episode.)

This is gonna be good. I hope we will see a return of the corellian accord.

I'd love to see Bel iblis return to canon as well. He's one of my favourite characters from Legends.

I too would love to see Garm Bel Iblis return to canon. Considering how much Filoni seems to love the Thrawn Trilogy I wouldnt be shocked if see him pop up. I would also love to see Talon Kaarde pop up if only in an episode.

We'll put this in the Rebels thread, as I don't want to clutter up the forum with too many off-RPG threads, and that Thrawn is currently got the spotlight here:

USA Today has an excerpt from the Thrawn book.

His first meeting with Palpatine, proving that Thrawn has goddamned balls of Titanium. Plus he totally knows the Anakin/Vader connection.

25 minutes ago, Desslok said:

We'll put this in the Rebels thread, as I don't want to clutter up the forum with too many off-RPG threads, and that Thrawn is currently got the spotlight here:

USA Today has an excerpt from the Thrawn book.

His first meeting with Palpatine, proving that Thrawn has goddamned balls of Titanium. Plus he totally knows the Anakin/Vader connection.

Well, nice to see the balls of titanium element is still present, given that in the Thrawn Trilogy the man himself said that he'd openly disagreed with the Emperor (who at that point in the EU didn't take kindly to dissent amongst the ranks) on several different occasions with regards to tactics for military operations, and that Thrawn had generally been proven to be correct to dissent. Though his last bit of dissent got Thrawn sent to the Unknown Regions for a spell, so not like he got away scott-free with disagreeing with Palps.