2 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I disagree. It sounded like Mando'a to me, and both of them are Mandalorian, so it makes more sense that that would be what they're speaking in.

Yeah sorry, Tramp, but Boba and Jango aren't mando anymore. They just dudes with mando armor. They've gone the way of the CR-90 in Disney's new canon.

Don't believe us? Here:

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Jango Fett was a Mandalorian in the lore of Star Wars Legends . In the "Creating Mandalore" featurette on The Clone Wars : Season Two DVD set , however, series director Dave Filoni explained that, according to George Lucas , the Fetts were not Mandalorians. ^[17] After the creation of the official Star Wars canon , Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group reiterated that the Fetts are not Mandalorians. ^[2]

Taken from here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jango_Fett#Behind_the_scenes

It's the canon entry.

21 minutes ago, TheMOELANDER said:

They've gone the way of the CR-90 in Disney's new canon.

https://www.facebook.com/starwarsrebels/photos/pb.180356405454324.-2207520000.1417498499./384160298407266

2 minutes ago, Blackbird888 said:

https://www.facebook.com/starwarsrebels/photos/pb.180356405454324.-2207520000.1417498499./384160298407266

Oh Hey, they didn't change it after all. Neat!

But Jango and Boba still no more Mando. Sorry bub.

Personally, I feel like both parties have been strengthened by not making the Fetts Mandos. Boba can stand on his own as being one of the deadliest people in the galaxy instead of being just another (albeit awesome) Mandalorian bounty hunter. As for the Mandos, I feel like the new canon has done a far better job with them than Legends ever did. The Clone Wars actually saw about distancing Jango from his armor in "The Mandalore Plot".

I kinda like the idea that Jango tried to make himself stand out from the competation by posing as a "near extinct warrior race" (since Mandolorians as warriors were inactive at this point) served to boost his reputation and appear more ironic to those that hired him; Boba continued the legacy.

If this is true about Jango and Boba, it's now gone full circle. The original canon descriptions called Boba a "Clone Warrior" and described his armor (only) as Mandolorian. There was no mention of what "Mandolorian" meant. No mention of a race. It could have been a corporate manufacturer of elite body armor. There was no talk of Boba being a Mandolorian until much later.

Late 1970's canon actually agrees with what they are now saying.

Yeah, a lot of the stuff from the Clone Wars is based on Lucas' original ideas. Filoni has talked about this in many interviews, how Lucas would pull out a folder with notes from decades ago about characters and setting elements, and they would work together to integrate them with the newer material.

Of course this disregarded a good chunk of the Expanded Universe (now called Legends), but I have no problem with that. That was a contradictory mess full of godawful material. Doing what these guys have been doing and picking and choosing the best parts to incorporate into the shows is the best way to move forward.

As someone that finds the Mandalorians--old, new, whatever--completely uninteresting, I won't miss them being off screen for a while.

The whole idea of a warrior culture is ridiculous anyway. They never amount to much, except in fairy tales, as the constant in-fighting means nothing of lasting consequence gets done.

Ironically, even the Sith figured that out.

3 hours ago, Sturn said:

There was no mention of what "Mandolorian" meant

The novelization of ESB described them as "a group of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars". But, as you said, it only indicated that Boba wore the armor of one; not that he was one.

6 hours ago, whafrog said:

The whole idea of a warrior culture is ridiculous anyway. They never amount to much, except in fairy tales, as the constant in-fighting means nothing of lasting consequence gets done.

Ironically, even the Sith figured that out.

The only culture it seemed to ever kinda work for in terms of being a lasting entity was the Spartans, and they had a set of rather unique conditions and multiple social classes of "supposedly not Spartans" not-warriors doing all their other work for them.

Who takes out the trash in a warrior culture? Who writes songs? Who raises the children? Who grows the food?

The idea of a warrior culture falls apart the moment you think about it.

2 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Who takes out the trash in a warrior culture? Who writes songs? Who raises the children? Who grows the food?

The idea of a warrior culture falls apart the moment you think about it.

Song writing is clearly a job for warriors, who else would have the right warrior spirit for it? Raising children is for warriors, who else would be able to instill the right spirit into the children? And growing food is clearly a job for … slaves. Which the star wars galaxy as an unlimited amount off, because they literally build themselves.

Now the pacifist mandos seem to prefer to actually do non-warrior jobs and thus import food, but in the end you can bot on it that nearly all the labor was done by slaves on agriculture planets anyway. Concord dawn, the moon of mandalore was iirc an actual agriculture and mining world, we have seen the mining facilities, which run mostly automatic. We can assume the fields work the same way.

Though the star wars galaxy offers a level of automatisation and energy abundance that the whole concept of scarcity economy falls apart the moment you think about it. They should be culture levels of rich, while the actual star wars galaxy is for the most part starving. So I guess the answer to "who grows the food" is nobody, because everyone prefers to go adventuring or being senator and no one is getting those power converters for the farm. ;-)

2 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Who takes out the trash in a warrior culture? Who writes songs? Who raises the children? Who grows the food?

The idea of a warrior culture falls apart the moment you think about it.

Got tell that to the Spartans.

Warrior Poets abound through history.

A warrior culture doesn't imply that every person is a warrior that gets up and does nothing but train or fight all day. A portion of the society will obviously not be warriors (the weak, elderly, & women in some versions throughout history), but they will still have tasks to perform such as farming. And as said, every waking moment is not taken up by being a warrior. Even the warriors will write songs, make art, and help raise other warriors.

I never thought of it before, but perhaps the Mandolorians were even intended to be Space Spartans?

If only the weak, elderly, and women farm, your city is going to starve.

3 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Who takes out the trash in a warrior culture? Who writes songs? Who raises the children? Who grows the food?

The idea of a warrior culture falls apart the moment you think about it.

Go ask Tolkien's elves.

3 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Who takes out the trash in a warrior culture? Who writes songs? Who raises the children? Who grows the food?

The idea of a warrior culture falls apart the moment you think about it.

Not really. You're viewing being a warrior as a full-time job. The Norse and their vikings destroy that. Being a viking was a seasonal job. During the spring you raided, while your family (along with a few landless others) worked the fields, between raids you also worked the fields, and you stayed for the fall harvest and bunkered down in the winter. However, despite the vikings' lasting impression not all Norse were raiders. Blacksmiths, lawmen, and priests were considered too important for their knowledge to leave the community and risk death in battle. Further, not all capable men raided. Some had to stay home to work (farm, maintain infrastructure, etc) and defend the community against other raiders. And that's just the Norse. The Assyrians, Spartans, Feudal Japanese (samurai), Romans, and Huns are all other examples of functional warrior cultures.

The romanticized idea of a warrior culture where everyone fights falls apart once you think about it. The actual idea of a warrior culture were soldiers are viewed as some of society's elites is actually pretty feasible.

21 minutes ago, Ireul said:

And that's just the Norse. The Assyrians, Spartans, Feudal Japanese (samurai), Romans, and Huns are all other examples of functional warrior cultures.

All good examples, my comment was poorly worded. I meant more about how such cultures are often romanticized.

I don't think Vikings are what Mandalorian and r Klingons and other fictional warrior cultures are modeled after.

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

If only the weak, elderly, and women farm, your city is going to starve.

Again. Droids. Slaves. The unfree people. They do a fine job at farming. Applies btw to the Klingon empire as well, they had integrated non-warrior species into their empire … and a worker and scientist class on top of it. Well, or at the bottom if you look at their social hierarchy. ;-)

6 minutes ago, whafrog said:

All good examples, my comment was poorly worded. I meant more about how such cultures are often romanticized.

For some reason, the, um, "bookish" fans of these cultures seem to usually envision themselves in the warrior/elite role, not in the (statistically more likely... otherwise more likely...) position under the boot.

28 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Again. Droids. Slaves. The unfree people. They do a fine job at farming. Applies btw to the Klingon empire as well, they had integrated non-warrior species into their empire … and a worker and scientist class on top of it. Well, or at the bottom if you look at their social hierarchy. ;-)

I'd argue that it's not a warrior culture if the majority of the people doesn't qualify as warriors.

And the Klingon Empire was only one species. You're talking about Starfleet Battles or the novels, but they were never part of a canon/continuity like in Star Wars.

Just now, Stan Fresh said:

I'd argue that it's not a warrior culture if the majority of the people doesn't qualify as warriors.

And the Klingon Empire was only one species. You're talking about Starfleet Battles or the novels, but they were never part of a canon/continuity like in Star Wars.

Nah, I am talking about Star Trek Enterprise, Canon and (mostly) main timeline and continuity. And I accept that you then complain about nothing, as from real word spartans and samurai to fantasy Noldor, Mandalorians and Klingons, they apparently all do not qualify as warrior culture. So you have nothing to complain about, there are simply no warrior cultures for you.

7 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

I don't think Vikings are what Mandalorian and r Klingons and other fictional warrior cultures are modeled after.

Oh, absolutely. Sci-fi TV shows rarely delve into the intricate workings of societies, so you only get a basic view - the romanticized idea. Then, fans take what they see and expand it, typically without adding nuance like non-warriors.

I was talking more to the general idea of "a warrior culture is ridiculous" you seemed to be espousing. History has plenty of examples that, in my opinion, prove the opposite.

18 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Nah, I am talking about Star Trek Enterprise, Canon and (mostly) main timeline and continuity. And I accept that you then complain about nothing, as from real word spartans and samurai to fantasy Noldor, Mandalorians and Klingons, they apparently all do not qualify as warrior culture. So you have nothing to complain about, there are simply no warrior cultures for you.

Since I've not been complaining at all, I think you're seeing things that aren't there.

Or you just want to complain about nothing.