Not that I think anyone needs them, but here are some pics from Entertainment Weekly with all the Rebel cameos from R1:
Here's what Dave Filoni says about seeing the battle from the other end:
I already have some theories about the story behind it. I can imagine doing that entire [scarif] battle from their point of view, whoever is on the Ghost at that point.
More on Saw's upcoming Rebels appearance.
Mid Season Trailer
Dark Saber / Mandalorian Storyline
Kenobi VS Maul
Edited by TakeshiMasakiCalled it. Also, THANK THE FORCE! the second half of this season looks amazing!
Great final line by Obi-wan! And I don't know who did the voice, but they nailed Alec Guiness.
It's a shame that they don't have James Arnold Taylor doing the voice again. Ah well.
What I'm curious about is - do they kill Maul? They cant leave him in a state to know where Kenobi is, or that he's on a mission. So that means that either he dies or is left in some kind of position where he's ignorant of the bigger picture somehow.
It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
Edited by DesslokI suspect they will kill him off, i can't see him being put in aposition where he's ignorant of the big picture. Keeping the knowledge of Luke from him is gonna be diffcult because he knows that Kenobi has something to defeat the sith and he won't stop looking. So if he's duped it's gonna be an incredibly good story.
Unless Filoni goes against canon the Rebels cannot win any of these space battles we get to see in the trailer. The Battle of Scarrif is the first "victory" according to A New Hope's opening scrawl.
I've seen some interesting interviews (maybe it was a Rebel's Recon episode) where they hint that perhaps Maul is on a path of redemption...
In Star Wars terms, that usually means dying just as you get a clue...
Unless Filoni goes against canon the Rebels cannot win any of these space battles we get to see in the trailer. The Battle of Scarrif is the first "victory" according to A New Hope's opening scrawl.
It wouldn't be the first time that two canon sources directly conflicted each other in Star Wars.
(Or Leia actually somehow remembers he mother... who died giving birth to her...)
Unless Filoni goes against canon the Rebels cannot win any of these space battles we get to see in the trailer. The Battle of Scarrif is the first "victory" according to A New Hope's opening scrawl.
It wouldn't be the first time that two canon sources directly conflicted each other in Star Wars.
(Or Leia actually somehow remembers he mother... who died giving birth to her...)
There's always a Star Warzy explanation.
Example 1: The battles won during Rebels were not technically won by the new Alliance. The Alliance was finally, officially, founded just before the Battle of Scarif.
Example 2: Leia was a force sensitive. She has Force memories or un-born Force-sensitive Leia sensed her mother before birth.
Next?
Edited by SturnThere’s a point at which retcons start stretching my willing suspension of disbelief, sometimes to the breaking point.
Sometimes, I prefer to go back and change the dialog or action in minor ways to better suit what actually developed, or I apply a different retcon that doesn’t hurt my brain so much.
For example 2, I think my preference would be for Leia to be talking about her adoptive mother, and not her birth mother — and she just got her memories a little confused. Maybe Bail Organa got re-married after his first wife died early?
I agree with Brad, i think that Leia was remembering the sensations she had of Padme and mixing it with the visual memories of Bail's wife.
And about winning the space battles conflicting with the New Hope crawl: it depends on your point fo view. Scarif was probably the first battle where all the various rebel cells contributed together as an alliance (kinda like at Endor in episode 6), but the battles we see in Rebels could be only Phoenix Squadron with the help of another cell, or part of the rebel fleet.
BTW am i mistaken or as Thrawn escorted by Death troopers coming out of the shuttle?
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Unless Filoni goes against canon the Rebels cannot win any of these space battles we get to see in the trailer. The Battle of Scarrif is the first "victory" according to A New Hope's opening scrawl.
It wouldn't be the first time that two canon sources directly conflicted each other in Star Wars.
(Or Leia actually somehow remembers he mother... who died giving birth to her...)
" Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet. "
There's no mention of an alliance or anything just the generic term rebels. There's really no wiggling out of that without a BS grammatical technicality.
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Unless Filoni goes against canon the Rebels cannot win any of these space battles we get to see in the trailer. The Battle of Scarrif is the first "victory" according to A New Hope's opening scrawl.
It wouldn't be the first time that two canon sources directly conflicted each other in Star Wars.
(Or Leia actually somehow remembers he mother... who died giving birth to her...)
" Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet. "
There's no mention of an alliance or anything just the generic term rebels. There's really no wiggling out of that without a BS grammatical technicality.
There's not much wiggling out of Leia remembering someone who died when Leia was less than an hour old, either...
Edited by MaxKilljoyShhhhhh.... SHHHHHHH....
Midi-Chlorians.
It only shows people's memories are really unreliable.
You know what this thread makes me have to accept? How much I don't like the idea that Leia is Luke's sister, and how that retcon in RotJ really screwed things up. IMHO it is where the saga started to fall apart before the prequels screwed things totally.
Unless Filoni goes against canon the Rebels cannot win any of these space battles we get to see in the trailer. The Battle of Scarrif is the first "victory" according to A New Hope's opening scrawl.
It wouldn't be the first time that two canon sources directly conflicted each other in Star Wars.
(Or Leia actually somehow remembers he mother... who died giving birth to her...)
" Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet. "
There's no mention of an alliance or anything just the generic term rebels. There's really no wiggling out of that without a BS grammatical technicality.
Yet a few minutes later Vader tell Leia "You're part of the Rebel Alliance, and a traitor", so the Alliance is both mentioned and acknowledged as existing.
There's not much wiggling out of Leia remembering someone who died when Leia was less than an hour hold, either...
Leia isn't remembering Padme, only the sensations she had through the Force before she was born, and she's mixing it with the memories of Bail's wife who raised her. It's the only logical conclusion.
When it comes the "First Victory" wording in the crawl. Let's take the Crawl for what it is, just a quick summary to get us caught up with events. It is not a detailed account of events. Of course this fits with what we saw in the ESB Crawl.
Part of the ESB Crawl:
Evading the dreaded Imperial
Starfleet, a group of freedom
fighters led by Luke Skywalker
has established a new secret
base on the remote ice world
of Hoth.
My thoughts on "First Victory"
Scarif was probably the Alliance Fleet's First Major Engagement directly with Imperial Forces. This isn't just a band of rebels or several rebel cells working together, but the Rebel Fleet fighting in force.
Which brings up that Rebels (TV Show) is showing us that the Alliance is has not truly come together in that timeline. The battles they hinted at in the trailer could just be smaller fleet engagements. Which is just the Alliance ramping up its Operations Prior to Rogue One.
That doesn't say Luke is the leader of the Rebel Alliance, all it says is he led the team that established Echo Base. There's no discrepancies here.
Look my hope is that the Rebels are decimated by Thrawn at the end of the season. The battle is a total Imperial victory with the Rebels only just barely escaping. Sato dies. Ezra damages the interdictor allowing the remains of the fleet to escape. Thrawn wins and the rebels are so beaten they are assumed defeated or at least such a small threat now that he is reassigned elsewhere. The rebels retreat and eventually are shown to have joined other cells and we either see them establish another base at the end or the beginning of Dantooine.
That doesn't say Luke is the leader of the Rebel Alliance, all it says is he led the team that established Echo Base. There's no discrepancies here.
The discrepancy is what group of Freedom Fighters are led by Luke Skywalker. If you look at it the group that has an Established Secret Base on Hoth is the Rebel Alliance. So then the Group of Freedom Fighters led by Luke is the Rebel Alliance. He is a leader in the Rebel Alliance and saying he led the Alliance is not wrong, but not the whole story. You can interchange Freedom Fighters with Rebels / Rebel Alliance in the crawl and it doesn't change the meaning. It still gives you the same discrepancy.
No were does it say he lead a team to establish Echo Base. It simply says the group he led established a base on Hoth. Which does not make him in charge of Establishing Echo Base, but doesn't mean he didn't do it either.
All you can really say is that the group led by Luke established the base with no real indication on how much of a hand he had in it. Luke could be the Tarkin or Krennic of Echo Base and he could simply just be another Squadron Leader who's name the Audience knows cause he is the Hero.
Like "First Victory" they are just part of a summary of events and they don't need to be perfect telling of events. They are just the cliffnotes for a story. No matter what happens in Rebels we now know that the First Victory was for the Battle of Scarif. It being the first Major Battle of the Galactic Civil war. While it was a Victory because of the Stole Death Star Plans. The Alliance Fleet showed it could take the fight directly to the Imperials which was very important.
*oops, wrong thread*
Edited by MaxKilljoyThat doesn't say Luke is the leader of the Rebel Alliance, all it says is he led the team that established Echo Base. There's no discrepancies here.
The discrepancy is what group of Freedom Fighters are led by Luke Skywalker. If you look at it the group that has an Established Secret Base on Hoth is the Rebel Alliance. So then the Group of Freedom Fighters led by Luke is the Rebel Alliance. He is a leader in the Rebel Alliance and saying he led the Alliance is not wrong, but not the whole story. You can interchange Freedom Fighters with Rebels / Rebel Alliance in the crawl and it doesn't change the meaning. It still gives you the same discrepancy.
No were does it say he lead a team to establish Echo Base. It simply says the group he led established a base on Hoth. Which does not make him in charge of Establishing Echo Base, but doesn't mean he didn't do it either.
All you can really say is that the group led by Luke established the base with no real indication on how much of a hand he had in it. Luke could be the Tarkin or Krennic of Echo Base and he could simply just be another Squadron Leader who's name the Audience knows cause he is the Hero.
Like "First Victory" they are just part of a summary of events and they don't need to be perfect telling of events. They are just the cliffnotes for a story. No matter what happens in Rebels we now know that the First Victory was for the Battle of Scarif. It being the first Major Battle of the Galactic Civil war. While it was a Victory because of the Stole Death Star Plans. The Alliance Fleet showed it could take the fight directly to the Imperials which was very important.
It says a group. Not all. Whether they say team or group or taskforce it makes no difference. They would not indicate that unless they were being specfic. Otherwise there is no need for that line.
Rogue One follows the opening scrawl of a New Hope to the letter.
Back on topic, we got some nice stuff in Rebels tonight.
Kanan lifting a silhouette 3 piece of rock with ease up until he had to keep it elevated for a length of time, Kanan pushing Ezra with what had to be Move, since it went far and then Kanan straight up leaping at least long range in a single go. Blindness makes him OP.
Also I like how they're portraying Saw as the extremist, I'm glad Geonosians aren't entirely extinct & Sabine kicked butt with that jetpack.