http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Rebels_Season_FourHas anyone seen this yet???!!!If this is true, I'll never say anything bad about Disney's treatment of the EU again!Edit: According to this, Sev survived...

Aside from it being on a "fanon" site, you noticed the dates of the "premiere," right? It's not fall of 2017 yet.

As I mentioned in the last thread that had this fanon link to season 4...

Freddie Prinze Jr. talked in an interview about currently recording season 4 just before the release of season 3. It's coming, that is what we do know.

http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Rebels_Season_Four

Has anyone seen this yet???!!!

If this is true, I'll never say anything bad about Disney's treatment of the EU again!

Edit: According to this, Sev survived...

Bah! Who cares about that! More importantly, Peter MacNicol is doing a voice in S3 and S4!

He is VIGO! You are like the buzzing of flies to him!

As I mentioned in the last thread that had this fanon link to season 4...

Freddie Prinze Jr. talked in an interview about currently recording season 4 just before the release of season 3. It's coming, that is what we do know.

http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Rebels_Season_FourHas anyone seen this yet???!!!If this is true, I'll never say anything bad about Disney's treatment of the EU again!Edit: According to this, Sev survived...

Aside from it being on a "fanon" site, you noticed the dates of the "premiere," right? It's not fall of 2017 yet.

Yeah, I saw it was a fanon site. It just got my personal Star Wars what-if list going. Again. I can have my dreams......

http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Rebels_Season_Four

Has anyone seen this yet???!!!

If this is true, I'll never say anything bad about Disney's treatment of the EU again!

Edit: According to this, Sev survived...

Bah! Who cares about that! More importantly, Peter MacNicol is doing a voice in S3 and S4!

He is VIGO! You are like the buzzing of flies to him!

Delta Squadron joining the rebellion, a mando jedi

, Tara Strong as Dakla Vizsla, Bo Katan as regular on the Ghosh crew and Captain Gilad Pellaeon, Kes Dameron, Shara Bey, Obi-Wan, and the emperor's hand, reach, voice and eye.

Nerdgasm. If even half of that cast is correct than rebels canonized more than we could ever have hopped for and combines new canon with old canon and EU in ways which not even have dared to dream off. So I guess it suits fanon very well. I am looking forward how much of this becomes true if there is even a season 4.

As I mentioned in the last thread that had this fanon link to season 4...

Freddie Prinze Jr. talked in an interview about currently recording season 4 just before the release of season 3. It's coming, that is what we do know.

http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Rebels_Season_FourHas anyone seen this yet???!!!If this is true, I'll never say anything bad about Disney's treatment of the EU again!Edit: According to this, Sev survived...

Aside from it being on a "fanon" site, you noticed the dates of the "premiere," right? It's not fall of 2017 yet.

Yeah, I saw it was a fanon site. It just got my personal Star Wars what-if list going. Again. I can have my dreams......

And my replies probably came across pricklier than intended.

As I mentioned in the last thread that had this fanon link to season 4...

Freddie Prinze Jr. talked in an interview about currently recording season 4 just before the release of season 3. It's coming, that is what we do know.

http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Rebels_Season_FourHas anyone seen this yet???!!!If this is true, I'll never say anything bad about Disney's treatment of the EU again!Edit: According to this, Sev survived...

Aside from it being on a "fanon" site, you noticed the dates of the "premiere," right? It's not fall of 2017 yet.

Yeah, I saw it was a fanon site. It just got my personal Star Wars what-if list going. Again. I can have my dreams......

And my replies probably came across pricklier than intended.

No offense taken. My post does look a little overenthusiastic for a fanon creation

So, when do we think they will tell the story on how the rebels "secured" the plans for X-wings, if at all?

And if we do see them, do we see Wedge again as a pilot?

They seem to have an amply supply of them in Rogue One, which goes along with them gaining them between Episode 3 & 4.

And Wedge Antillies is the seond/third most popular pilot (Luke & Solo being 1 & 2).

Just saying the X-wing is THE iconic starfighter in starwars. Would be a pretty cool to see that story line fleshed out.

Tie-Defenders?!!? Man, they really have taken the whole "Artistic License" with the star-fighter-time to whole new level!

A-Wings before the first death star

B-Wings with super lasers AND before the first death star

Tie-Defenders before Tie-Advances

No X-wings or Head Hunters

Whats next?! They introduce the crappy E-wing as the savior to the rebellion?!

Also, who ever called Agent Kallus as the next Falkrum. Good on yea.

The TIE Defenders are only "plans" at this point. If the factory is destroyed it will set back the effort considerably.

In general I don't have a problem with any of these changes in expectations, in fact I welcome it. What it does is show that the movies were only one theatre of action among many...certainly the most important theatre, what with the death of the Key Evilz and all, but still only one.

Besides, if they stuck to the impressions given by the films, they'd be accused of being boring and unimaginative.

Tie-Defenders?!!? Man, they really have taken the whole "Artistic License" with the star-fighter-time to whole new level!

A-Wings before the first death star

B-Wings with super lasers AND before the first death star

Tie-Defenders before Tie-Advances

No X-wings or Head Hunters

Whats next?! They introduce the crappy E-wing as the savior to the rebellion?!

Also, who ever called Agent Kallus as the next Falkrum. Good on yea.

Pretty sure Vader is flying an Advanced fighter.

The TIE Defenders are only "plans" at this point. If the factory is destroyed it will set back the effort considerably.

In general I don't have a problem with any of these changes in expectations, in fact I welcome it. What it does is show that the movies were only one theatre of action among many...certainly the most important theatre, what with the death of the Key Evilz and all, but still only one.

Besides, if they stuck to the impressions given by the films, they'd be accused of being boring and unimaginative.

The problem is that 1) Disney/Lucas Arts basically told the fans that had been keeping them alive for all the years between the movies (1983 - 1999) that we were a bunch of suckers and none of it matters. "Thanks for your interest and your money, but f*** what you have learned."

and 2) that the current batch of writers are so lazy about the stories they're making that they can't make new things without interjecting stuff that doesn't HAVE to be there. This is known as Intertexuality and it is f***ing lazy when not used right. Used right you get Superman (1970) going up to a payphone to change and it not being a full booth was a funny moment as it fed back to what was known of him from before and connected with the now.

And what we're talking about isn't even from the movies. The TIE Defender was from the TIE Fighter game (1994) and this was set after Empire Strikes Back (specifically the Battle of Hoth). The B-wing didn't appear until Return of the Jedi and it makes sense to be in the hands of the Rebels at that point (5 years since the Battle of Yavin) as they couldn't get enough capital class ships to face down the Empire and its armadas, but a fighter designed to punch through capital ships is a good counter by that point.

The old canon (Legends) had the TIE Fighter for the Imperials. The Rebels got ahold of the X-wing and it was a good counter, which resulted in the Empire developing the TIE Interceptors as a counter. The A-wing came in to counter the TIE Interceptor, etc...

Eh, TIE Defenders are cool, so I have no issue with this. In fact I'm hoping to see them adapt the whole Thrawn vs Zarrin story arc somehow. Those were some badass missions.

Tie-Defenders?!!? Man, they really have taken the whole "Artistic License" with the star-fighter-time to whole new level!

A-Wings before the first death star

B-Wings with super lasers AND before the first death star

Tie-Defenders before Tie-Advances

No X-wings or Head Hunters

Whats next?! They introduce the crappy E-wing as the savior to the rebellion?!

Also, who ever called Agent Kallus as the next Falkrum. Good on yea.

Honestly, I think it's cool that Tie Defenders are canon now. The Tie Defender diagram made my day when I saw it.

Eh, TIE Defenders are cool, so I have no issue with this. In fact I'm hoping to see them adapt the whole Thrawn vs Zarrin story arc somehow. Those were some badass missions.

That would be awesome. Tie Fighter was a great game. So many good memories.

The TIE Defenders are only "plans" at this point. If the factory is destroyed it will set back the effort considerably.

In general I don't have a problem with any of these changes in expectations, in fact I welcome it. What it does is show that the movies were only one theatre of action among many...certainly the most important theatre, what with the death of the Key Evilz and all, but still only one.

Besides, if they stuck to the impressions given by the films, they'd be accused of being boring and unimaginative.

The problem is that 1) Disney/Lucas Arts basically told the fans that had been keeping them alive for all the years between the movies (1983 - 1999) that we were a bunch of suckers and none of it matters. "Thanks for your interest and your money, but f*** what you have learned."

and 2) that the current batch of writers are so lazy about the stories they're making that they can't make new things without interjecting stuff that doesn't HAVE to be there. This is known as Intertexuality and it is f***ing lazy when not used right. Used right you get Superman (1970) going up to a payphone to change and it not being a full booth was a funny moment as it fed back to what was known of him from before and connected with the now.

And what we're talking about isn't even from the movies. The TIE Defender was from the TIE Fighter game (1994) and this was set after Empire Strikes Back (specifically the Battle of Hoth). The B-wing didn't appear until Return of the Jedi and it makes sense to be in the hands of the Rebels at that point (5 years since the Battle of Yavin) as they couldn't get enough capital class ships to face down the Empire and its armadas, but a fighter designed to punch through capital ships is a good counter by that point.

The old canon (Legends) had the TIE Fighter for the Imperials. The Rebels got ahold of the X-wing and it was a good counter, which resulted in the Empire developing the TIE Interceptors as a counter. The A-wing came in to counter the TIE Interceptor, etc...

Thank you for reminding me why I hate Hollywood.

The Force Awakens felt like at attempt to recycle as much Star Wars nostalgia as could be crammed in, and it appears to have a "lit crit" name... "weaponized intertextuality".

The problem is that 1) Disney/Lucas Arts basically told the fans that had been keeping them alive for all the years between the movies (1983 - 1999) that we were a bunch of suckers and none of it matters. "Thanks for your interest and your money, but f*** what you have learned."

That's not a problem, that's hilaaaarious.

The old canon (Legends) had the TIE Fighter for the Imperials. The Rebels got ahold of the X-wing and it was a good counter, which resulted in the Empire developing the TIE Interceptors as a counter. The A-wing came in to counter the TIE Interceptor, etc...

Some people just want the same song over and over again. I prefer an expansion of the bigger picture. Nothing in your sequence is really violated...after all, the A-Wings haven't been that impressive yet, maybe they're due for an upgrade; and the B-Wings aren't in production, there's just the one prototype.

I guess Agent Kallus is the new Fulcrum...or one of them. Voice patterns were too similar, but given that the fans decoded Ahsoka pretty quickly, that could be a bait-and-switch by Filoni and crew.

I'm wondering what debt Kallus owed. He's a genocidal monster, so I can't see him caring if Zeb did him a fair turn at one point.

It was near the end of season 2,where they started to show that Kallus might not be so bad after all. I completely disagree with that but it's how things are.

Given the way Kallus openly and gleefully reveled in this role in the massacre of the Lasat in a previous episode, I found his comments in the "lost on not-Hoth" episode incongruous and suspicious.

Pity that there's no precedent for a complete and utter bastard to do a heel/face turn. As we all know, redemption is impossible in the Star Wars universe.

Little late to this conversation I know, but didn't Kallus tell Zeb that his involvement in the massacre was not how he made it out to be when he first mentioned it? I seem to recall, in the episode where they were stranded, that he basically said he didn't like what they had to do, and possibly down played his actual involvement, implying that he might've reacted sort of like Finn did in Awakens, being reluctant to just flat out murder innocents. Am I remembering that episode correctly?

Current episode: Meh, the last few have been very blah for me. Nothing really moving any significant plot forward, except for the thing about Fulcrum, which I called a while ago, so that's not really news to me. And more *shudders* Thrawn. I know I'm in the minority of Star Wars fandom about him, but I just can't stand that character. I really wish they would do away with him, and focus the story and conflict somewhere else besides the Blue Sue.

I don't understand why they didn't just start them with Y-wings instead of A-wings, the Ys always came across as the dated 'old reliable' the Rebellion was forced to use and it would have allowed them to bring in A-wings as the speedy interceptor they were portrayed as when needed (I always had the impression that the A-wing was developed before the X-wing, that they were the first attempt by the Alliance to create their own fighters to compete with the TIEs, so I have no issue with them coming out before A New Hope) followed by the X-wings that were gradually replacing the Y-wings when they got the resources to produce them.

I guess the only real issue I have with it is that it feels a bit too much like "Hey, look at this cool thing you saw in the films we've shoved in today!" Changing things is fine, just not when it doesn't add anything to the story, which I often feel like they don't. But then, I feel the same way about the way they shove cameos of characters like Lando Calrissian in, just didn't really feel like it added anything beyond "Hey look, its Lando!"

I don't understand why they didn't just start them with Y-wings instead of A-wings, the Ys always came across as the dated 'old reliable' the Rebellion was forced to use and it would have allowed them to bring in A-wings as the speedy interceptor they were portrayed as when needed (I always had the impression that the A-wing was developed before the X-wing, that they were the first attempt by the Alliance to create their own fighters to compete with the TIEs, so I have no issue with them coming out before A New Hope) followed by the X-wings that were gradually replacing the Y-wings when they got the resources to produce them.

I guess the only real issue I have with it is that it feels a bit too much like "Hey, look at this cool thing you saw in the films we've shoved in today!" Changing things is fine, just not when it doesn't add anything to the story, which I often feel like they don't. But then, I feel the same way about the way they shove cameos of characters like Lando Calrissian in, just didn't really feel like it added anything beyond "Hey look, its Lando!"

The TIE Interceptor was a response to the X-Wing.

The A-Wing was a response to the TIE Interceptor.

The A-Wing was a response to the TIE Interceptor.

I thought the original fluff on the A-Wing was that it was developed after the Battle of Yavin, which demonstrated the need for a fighter with greater raw speed.

The A-Wing was a response to the TIE Interceptor.

I thought the original fluff on the A-Wing was that it was developed after the Battle of Yavin, which demonstrated the need for a fighter with greater raw speed.

Looking it up, you're kinda right. Evidently the "official story" (which is now legends) has changed around a few times to the point where they had retcon it and make the A-Wing and TIE Interceptor programs concurrent, based on the Alliance and Empire separately coming to the same conclusions after Yavin.

I guess Agent Kallus is the new Fulcrum...or one of them. Voice patterns were too similar, but given that the fans decoded Ahsoka pretty quickly, that could be a bait-and-switch by Filoni and crew.

I'm wondering what debt Kallus owed. He's a genocidal monster, so I can't see him caring if Zeb did him a fair turn at one point.

It was near the end of season 2,where they started to show that Kallus might not be so bad after all. I completely disagree with that but it's how things are.

Given the way Kallus openly and gleefully reveled in this role in the massacre of the Lasat in a previous episode, I found his comments in the "lost on not-Hoth" episode incongruous and suspicious.

Pity that there's no precedent for a complete and utter bastard to do a heel/face turn. As we all know, redemption is impossible in the Star Wars universe.

Little late to this conversation I know, but didn't Kallus tell Zeb that his involvement in the massacre was not how he made it out to be when he first mentioned it? I seem to recall, in the episode where they were stranded, that he basically said he didn't like what they had to do, and possibly down played his actual involvement, implying that he might've reacted sort of like Finn did in Awakens, being reluctant to just flat out murder innocents. Am I remembering that episode correctly?

Current episode: Meh, the last few have been very blah for me. Nothing really moving any significant plot forward, except for the thing about Fulcrum, which I called a while ago, so that's not really news to me. And more *shudders* Thrawn. I know I'm in the minority of Star Wars fandom about him, but I just can't stand that character. I really wish they would do away with him, and focus the story and conflict somewhere else besides the Blue Sue.

I've always thought Jeffrey Combs would make a great Thrawn.

Having read Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels, I love Thrawn. Having said that, I can't stand the voice actor they hired to do his voice. He's just so flat, all the time. The timbre of his voice does nothing for me either.

I've always thought Jeffrey Combs would make a great Thrawn.

Well, having read the Timothy Zahn Thrawn trilogy, just like you, I however can't stand him. I read that series when I was, at best a teenager, at a time when i was WAAAY less critical about the quality of the story I read, and even then he drove me to actual frustration when reading the books. An emotional reaction I don't often get from reading. I could go into detail about why I dislike him, but I already have in other threads, and the inevitable "No you're wrong! He's awesome!" debate is something I'd rather avoid yet again. So we'll just leave it at "You like him, most fans do, I don't"

As to his voice, eh, I really don't care either way about it. I mean, Thrawn always has that elitist, smug, "I'm lightyears more intelligent than everyone else in the room" kind of arrogance to him, and that voice encapsulates that perfectly. So, as far as conveying the character, I have to say it's effective. I just don't like the character, smug voice or not.

Having read Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels, I love Thrawn. Having said that, I can't stand the voice actor they hired to do his voice. He's just so flat, all the time. The timbre of his voice does nothing for me either.

I've always thought Jeffrey Combs would make a great Thrawn.

Well, having read the Timothy Zahn Thrawn trilogy, just like you, I however can't stand him. I read that series when I was, at best a teenager, at a time when i was WAAAY less critical about the quality of the story I read, and even then he drove me to actual frustration when reading the books. An emotional reaction I don't often get from reading. I could go into detail about why I dislike him, but I already have in other threads, and the inevitable "No you're wrong! He's awesome!" debate is something I'd rather avoid yet again. So we'll just leave it at "You like him, most fans do, I don't"

As to his voice, eh, I really don't care either way about it. I mean, Thrawn always has that elitist, smug, "I'm lightyears more intelligent than everyone else in the room" kind of arrogance to him, and that voice encapsulates that perfectly. So, as far as conveying the character, I have to say it's effective. I just don't like the character, smug voice or not.

It is rather interesting, the way that traits people would find insufferable in a protagonist, seem to often make an antagonist highly popular.