And if that doesn't convince, then all I have to say is you-sa should-a be grateful is'sa not a worsa!

You know, I'll say this for Jar Jar's Clone Wars episodes - there are too many of them, but they're all much better than they have any right to be.

Oh yes. The one with the Rodians had some pretty dire moments but it was still better than his presence in TPM. And the one with the disappearing Doigan masters (no idea how that is spelled) actually, well, it actually has a passable go at making Jar Jar likeable via a very clever ploy. Basically it sets up Windu as someone who shares our viewpoint that Jar Jar is a bumbling nuisance, and then makes Windu be mean and Jar Jar unfairly treated just because he's a bit different / innocent. It's the most cunning piece of making the audience side against themselves I've seen in years.

I thought they hit the height of Jar-jar's comedic potential in the Shadow Warrior episode, and his interactions with General Grevious.

"You are a man of few words, Boss Leoni"

"Well, uh...messa more of a deep thinker..."

Second episode was great! Ezra's use of the Force near the end was perfectly done.

I swear a few months ago I had an idea for an EotE character very similar to Ezra. He was going to be a 14-15 year old orphan from the Corporate Sector, Smuggler (Thief) with Force-Sensitive Emergent. Roleplay-wise, he wouldn't be entirely aware of his Force-sensitivity or how it worked, other than that when he got scared he could make strange things happen (Ezra's use of Move at the end of the second episode was pretty much exactly how I imagined things). Admittedly, it's a trope that's been done before, but when I was watching Rebels the similarity was striking.

honestly im really tired of c3-po and r2-d2 episodes it was the same for the clone wars series i found it more annoying than entertaining.

Whilst I would typically also dislike "celebrity" guest stars in this case I enjoyed them. The reason is that normally special guest stars rely on people going "oooh" simply because of their presence and the guests get special awesome status in their abilities, etc. Much like how some GMs run it if a canon character appears in their game ('Oh, it's Han Solo - he must be the bestest shot and the central character and...'). It takes away from the "PCs" in a show.This didn't happen. And without meaning to insult, I suspect there's a touch of people simply expecting this to have happened and affecting their enjoyment just because they're so used to this being the case. Other than a brief moment when R2-D2 and C3-P0 entered and the camera gave them space to introduce themselves, they weren't given special status, the plot didn't even revolve around them and they didn't hog the camera or be the greatest ever just because they were celebrities. They were actually used to tie the characters into the larger universe and hint at bigger developments in the future with the Bail Organa scene at the end. R2 was competent as always, but C3-P0 was still the semi-incompetent boob he usually is. Basically, they fit into the episode is what I'm saying.And if that doesn't convince, then all I have to say is you-sa should-a be grateful is'sa not a worsa!

Well i always wanted more shak'ti than what we got in clone wars I think sakura got like 2 or 3 episodes that she was involved in. I guess I'm in the minority but I never really liked the Droid in star wars other than their slave labor.

Second episode was great! Ezra's use of the Force near the end was perfectly done.

As was the look on Kanan's face after he did it.

Admittedly, it's a trope that's been done before, but when I was watching Rebels the similarity was striking.

Everything in Star Wars is a trope that has been done before.

Admittedly, it's a trope that's been done before, but when I was watching Rebels the similarity was striking.

Everything in Star Wars is a trope that has been done before.

Yes, if you strip out the details, every story has been told before in some combination or another... which is why there are entire sites devoted to tropes, heheh. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage

Admittedly, it's a trope that's been done before, but when I was watching Rebels the similarity was striking.

Everything in Star Wars is a trope that has been done before.

Yes, if you strip out the details, every story has been told before in some combination or another... which is why there are entire sites devoted to tropes, heheh. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage

Well, beyond the "it's all been done before" concept, Star Wars was explicitly created from existing ideas/styles/characters.

Admittedly, it's a trope that's been done before, but when I was watching Rebels the similarity was striking.

Everything in Star Wars is a trope that has been done before.

Yes, if you strip out the details, every story has been told before in some combination or another... which is why there are entire sites devoted to tropes, heheh. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage

Well, beyond the "it's all been done before" concept, Star Wars was explicitly created from existing ideas/styles/characters.

Yup, which were copied from other previous ideas/styles/characters. IIRC, Lucas took from things like Seven Samurai, but that took from American Westerns, which took from older films/ideas... What is old is new again.

A writer should be willing to use a trope, even if it IS a trope. The skill in the writer is making the story good enough you don't mind the trope.

But there are people out there who will get enjoyment by shouting out and pointing every trope they see, or flaw that is made.

I know it was a Pilot, and they tend to be weak in my opinion. it isn't really until halfway through the first season that the writing starts getting interesting. And just think, we are going to get at least two seasons of this, and it is far far better then the Ewok live action movies or Cartoons, which is what I had growing up

I liked the first episode. Sure it was overtly simplistic and I can't, for the life of me, understand why Filoni would wwnt to make Kessel a normal planet (unless the mining is what eventually turns it into its odd shape). Sure the wookies looked 'wet' and the show at times was very childish but it is so much better than the start of Clone Wars was....

I liked the first episode. Sure it was overtly simplistic and I can't, for the life of me, understand why Filoni would wwnt to make Kessel a normal planet (unless the mining is what eventually turns it into its odd shape). Sure the wookies looked 'wet' and the show at times was very childish but it is so much better than the start of Clone Wars was....

Who says it is a normal planet.

1. We don't really know the scale.

2. we only really see a landing pad which does not really tell us anything.

3. seeing it from one angle does not really tell us much about its shape.

4. It is a show for 7-10 year olds. Does the shape really add to the story? Does it detract from the story?

I liked the first episode. Sure it was overtly simplistic and I can't, for the life of me, understand why Filoni would wwnt to make Kessel a normal planet (unless the mining is what eventually turns it into its odd shape). Sure the wookies looked 'wet' and the show at times was very childish but it is so much better than the start of Clone Wars was....

Who says it is a normal planet.

1. We don't really know the scale.

2. we only really see a landing pad which does not really tell us anything.

3. seeing it from one angle does not really tell us much about its shape.

4. It is a show for 7-10 year olds. Does the shape really add to the story? Does it detract from the story?

1. Who said anything about scale?

2. Totally besides the point.

3. Yeah, because usually when you have a peanut shaped planetoid you chose to depict it from a side that makes it look like a normal planet....

4. I, for the life of me, don't see your point about the age of the key demographic factoring into this and if you had really, really read my post you would have understood that I liked the episode and didn't think it ruined it.

Oh, I'll add a 5. You're weird.

Oh, I'll add a 5. You're weird.

Unless we've started designing humans by committee, then I'll just point that statistically speaking we all are.

That might not be true. See, if statistically speaking we would all be weird then none of us would be....

So how does the shape of Kessel really make the story better or worse? Does the shape of Kessel really matter that much? How does its shape tell a better story? And how is it going to matter to anyone but a hard core fan of the EU? Is its shape going to matter to the core audience which are 7-10 year olds?

That might not be true. See, if statistically speaking we would all be weird then none of us would be....

Ah but then we run into the limits of the English language. First order "weird" means sufficiently different from me. The second order weird you've just invoked is to say no-one is different because we all are. They're operating on very different levels, but you've elided your shift in context because there's this one word that's common to both.

However, I will concede it's a good riposte.

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So how does the shape of Kessel really make the story better or worse? Does the shape of Kessel really matter that much? How does its shape tell a better story? And how is it going to matter to anyone but a hard core fan of the EU? Is its shape going to matter to the core audience which are 7-10 year olds?

So, you figured you should just ask the same questions again? Do you mind if I won't type the same answers

So how does the shape of Kessel really make the story better or worse? Does the shape of Kessel really matter that much? How does its shape tell a better story? And how is it going to matter to anyone but a hard core fan of the EU? Is its shape going to matter to the core audience which are 7-10 year olds?

To me? Not at all.

However, I have learned to avoid telling other people what they should and should not care about. I know enough of the things I am passionate about seem arbitrary to others. I may not be bothered by the same thing as someone else, but unless they're likely to do something as a result of it that affects me, I generally let their preferences alone. People get attached to things.

If there were a particular reason to change Kessel, people would complain less. I think the main thrust of it is that they cannot see why the changed version is better so they're having to accommodate an unwanted change for no especial purpose that they can see.

That might not be true. See, if statistically speaking we would all be weird then none of us would be....

Heh heh. We are all unique and therefore the same.

Well going back real quick to The Clone Wars, I know some people are in an outrage over Korriban being called Morriban. All I can say is that in Star Wars there are millions of languages and thousands of years...things change over time. Also, one group may call something one thing and another group will call it something else. We have that here on Earth. We call it Rome, Italians call it Roma; Naples, Naploi...But here is a big one, we call it Germany, but in Germany they call it Deutschland. Hmm, pretty different. So as far as GL changing it to Morriband to make it sound different from Coruscant, it just may be what the different cultures call it.

As to Kessel, this show makes heavy use of Ralph Mcquarrie art and some of the other early artists. Now Ralph has never done any concept work for Kessel, but the look of it in Rebels is from George's own early notes. This was from Starwars.com. The design choice was to reflect what was originally planned by George Lucas.

Apparently Kevin J. Anderson didn't have access or didn't care to follow these notes when he designed the look of Kessel for his books.

So there is the Official answer as to why.

I will not comment if it was good/bad; warranted or not. But there it is.

People don't agree with my point of view (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ ︵ ┻━┻

So there is the Official answer as to why.

What do you mean "official"? Are you on the team that made the episode or do you speak for them?

I am not being an ass here but if you are not then it isn't "official".