It´s the F. you EU, that really bothers me.

Meh. I'll never understand the emotional ties to the EU. Go, Filoni, go!

Meh. I'll never understand the emotional ties to the EU. Go, Filoni, go!

/runs away to cry in a corner

From the interviews I have heard with Filioni on the Rebel Force Radio Podcast and listening to him live last year at Celebration Europe II, I have never got the impression that he is deliberately trying to snub the EU. During The Clone Wars he was trying to bring in a lot of what had come before. He does try to not just throw away stuff because it was written down already. Filioni is cognizant of the fans ties to the EU.

For what it's worth this is what he told audiences last year at the Rebels reveal panel.

"Our work won't be constrained by the works that have come out already. We can't try to include everything that has been done in novels, comic books and video games. We will try to use what we can, but we will not be bound by these other works. From this point forward, what comes out in Rebels will be G-level Canon, and if contradicts a novel, comic book or game, I am sorry, but we just can't be constricted by those works to tell the new Star Wars stories."

This is a paraphrase, not a direct literal quote from him.

I whole heartily disagree that Dave Filioni has ever been spiteful when it comes to anything Star Wars. If I am wrong, please include a link to the audio or video recording. I have never heard him say anything but great things about all the authors, actors and developers that have worked on Star Wars.

I for one want to see new Star Wars stories told on the shows and in the movies. I don't want a re-hash of some novel that came out 20 years ago. Thrawn was awesome, but I want to see something else on the big screen.

Meh. I'll never understand the emotional ties to the EU. Go, Filoni, go!

How can you not understand my intense, throbbing, burning desire to see the Eu lit on fire and pushed into a deep hole never to be seen again?

Oh, but I do understand... I'll bring the gasoline!

Oh, but I do understand... I'll bring the gasoline!

Just to add some fuel to the fire … based on Episode 2 of the series, elements of Star Tours are now canon (really just the RX droid and the basic shape of the ship, but not necessarily the service itself).

Just to add some fuel to the fire … based on Episode 2 of the series, elements of Star Tours are now canon (really just the RX droid and the basic shape of the ship, but not necessarily the service itself).

Which I thought was cool and funny.

How can you not understand my intense, throbbing, burning desire to see the Eu lit on fire and pushed into a deep hole never to be seen again?

Well, if you're going to burn them all anyway, mind if I have any WEG or Star Wars d20 books that you happen to possess?

I whole heartily disagree that Dave Filioni has ever been spiteful when it comes to anything Star Wars. If I am wrong, please include a link to the audio or video recording.

How's six (ish) seasons of The Clone Wars, and two episodes of Rebels?

I'm kidding, obviously, but please allow me to elaborate.

First, I said it "has almost been spiteful." Pacifist Mandos and Karen Traviss notwithstanding , I should have made it clearer that the statement was merely my opinion, and not an allusion to some sort of official statement by Filoni.

I don't think anyone is advocating that all Star Wars stories from here on out be shackled to the pre-existing EU. A lot of it was bad, and I don't think anyone's trying to defend Waru. Or Barbara Hambly. I enjoyed the Thrawn Trilogy immensely, but I also understand that it would be incredibly difficult to tell new stories without dismissing some of the old ones. Allow me to reiterate: I don't believe that all new stories going forward should be shackled to the EU.

However, I don't see how leaving Kessel in its iconic, potato-shaped iteration prevented Filoni from "telling his stories." He took an interesting and storied place and made it mundane. The Stormtrooper Corps is now a part of the Imperial Army. Was this change really necessary? Does Filoni have an episode of Rebels in the works with a plot that hinges on the bureaucratic nuances of how the Stormtroopers are not an independent branch of the Imperial military? In a television show aimed at children?

Another example comes from The Clone Wars. How did the name "Korriban" prevent Filoni from telling the stories he wanted to tell? (Though, to be fair, I heard that Lucas had a hand in that one.) How does Ryloth being tidally locked to its parent star prevent Filoni from telling the stories that he wants to tell? Now, the "canon" iteration of Ryloth is completely ordinary as far as terrestrial planets go, and I can't help but feel that the Star Wars Universe is a less rich place because of it.

Given these types of changes, it appears to me that those that are making them are either making them for the sake of change or making them because they don't care about the works that have gone before them- regardless of what they say on the matter. Obviously, a lot of the old stories are incompatible with new stories going forward. But the places, names, and things don't have to change just because there's a new story being told.

I'm not saying that no one should enjoy The Clone Wars, (or Rebels) or that they've ruined Star Wars forever, or anything of the sort. If you like what they've done, good for you! I'm just disappointed with the direction that they've taken, and the way many good (or benign) details of the old EU have just been thrown away, and seemingly without any real cause. I'm not nerd-raging, I'm not offended, and I hope no one accuses me of sounding like an entitled fanboy, because that's certainly not my intention.

I know there's some middle-ground here. Despite his banter about hating the EU, whatfrog and I both thoroughly enjoyed the Medstar Duology and the Coruscant Nights trilogy. We both like the concept of Mara Jade and the KotOR video game. (I liked the second one better, but that's for another topic.) We probably both hate The Force Unleashed.

I just dislike that so much of the good is thrown out with the bad, and I'm sad to see so much snark directed at those that either like portions of the EU, or dislike aspects of a children's television show. I dislike Filoni's work aesthetically and from a storytelling standpoint, and there are others out there that feel the same way. It doesn't mean that we're not "True Fans" because there are aspects of Star Wars (canon or no) that we dislike and/or ignore.

I know there's some middle-ground here. Despite his banter about hating the EU, whatfrog and I both thoroughly enjoyed the Medstar Duology and the Coruscant Nights trilogy. We both like the concept of Mara Jade and the KotOR video game. (I liked the second one better, but that's for another topic.) We probably both hate The Force Unleashed.

Right you are on all counts there! I could add Legacy (vol 1), the Kotor comic, really most of what John Ostrander touched in the comic world, as positive EU developments.

I was never that interested in Thrawn but could take it or leave it.

I really just hate the Vong and every post-E6 book that assumes the Vong war as background...which is a LOT of books. It was the "dark times" for SW reading when those were all the rage. When people say "they're killing the EU!" I think of the Vong-setting books and go "woohoo!! die *$&*# die!"

But even for the stuff I liked, it's just that I really won't miss any of it if it turns out not to be canon. I'm just not emotionally invested in any of it.

As for Filoni, he's hit more high notes for me than any other SW contributor. I have a feeling we'd share similar views of portions the EU, so I'm optimistic going forward.

Well, if you're going to burn them all anyway, mind if I have any WEG or Star Wars d20 books that you happen to possess?

Oh, and you can have any d20 you can find. I'd never touch the stuff.

But my WEG? Only over my cold, dead, and rekilled after I rose as a vengeful protective ghost, ectoplasm.

Just to add some fuel to the fire … based on Episode 2 of the series, elements of Star Tours are now canon (really just the RX droid and the basic shape of the ship, but not necessarily the service itself).

Which I thought was cool and funny.

Me too.

I think it actually is how we are going to see EU from here on out: as a starting point for a character or design rather than designing something new. It's not like they pulled the entirety of Star Tours into cannon. Instead, when they needed a commuter vessel and pilot droid they had material ready made and used it.

Well, if you're going to burn them all anyway, mind if I have any WEG or Star Wars d20 books that you happen to possess?

I don't exactly count RPG books as "EU"... but I suppose others might.

Oh, and you can have any d20 you can find. I'd never touch the stuff.

But my WEG? Only over my cold, dead, and rekilled after I rose as a vengeful protective ghost, ectoplasm.

The EU came from those RPG books. From what I understand, Timothy Zahn was given the pile of WEG books before he wrote the trilogy that kicked off the novels and material that all came after...

Let me try to explain what i don't like about the way EU is treated (based on that first episode).

When lucas/disney made the statement about the EU, thhey were saying a few things. The message i got from it was the following: the EU are stories that could have happened ( or perhaps even happen, we just don't show it). However, if there is something that would be a problem, we will ignore it.

I do love thrawn as a bad guy, because he was an intelligent "bad guy", but i can live without him. And there are quite a few characters we will probably never see, but that's no problem.

My problem is Kessel. That perfect planet is not a example of a story that happene differently. That is just a we don't care about the world that has been made the last 25 years. Kessel is kinda iconic in the way it was, and lucas film has been very consistant about it looks in all the products it has appeared in. So why change it?

Changing the stories is not a problem, changing the setting for the heck of it, feels disrespectfull to me.

Finally I watched the first two chapters... I LOVE IT!

I told this before to my player but, its like I have watched this TV my entire life. This is the main era we almost always played (some old rep, some new rep).

I love the focus of the story. I love the character presentation. I'm really moved with Rebels.

PS: The myth that Kessel was a nasty weird rock-asteroid is gone XD

Is it too much to say that I am in Love w/ the voice actress of Sabine?? SHE'S HOT!!

When people say love, the often mean lust..

Nothing wrong with that.

Is it too much to say that I am in Love w/ the voice actress of Sabine?? SHE'S HOT!!

Haven't see Rebels yet so I'm not sure but...

I had the same reaction to Bastila in Kotor, and then to Senator Chuchi in TCW...then I found out those two were the same voice actress. Definitely some kind of resonance going on...

Going back to Kessel for a bit, while initially it threw me a little bit to see the planet, but then again one could be referencing the Kessel system. However, while science fiction, any asteroid more than 500km in diameter becomes spheroid under its own gravity. For Kessel to have been around as long as it has and still be a small misshapen hunk of rock, it would have been depleted tens of thousands of years ago... So story wise, it needs to be bigger for the spice mines to be that old. After thinking about it, I'm not bothered by that apparent change, as Keith Kappel pointed out that there is some ambiguity, with some pictures showing both planet and asteroid.

Going back to Kessel for a bit, while initially it threw me a little bit to see the planet, but then again one could be referencing the Kessel system. However, while science fiction, any asteroid more than 500km in diameter becomes spheroid under its own gravity. For Kessel to have been around as long as it has and still be a small misshapen hunk of rock, it would have been depleted tens of thousands of years ago... So story wise, it needs to be bigger for the spice mines to be that old. After thinking about it, I'm not bothered by that apparent change, as Keith Kappel pointed out that there is some ambiguity, with some pictures showing both planet and asteroid.

Depleted of what? The spice in the mines isn't like gold or iron. IIRC it is the webbing of some creature that lives in the world and has to be mined in the dark as the stuff reacts to light.

just watched it today. THANK GOD FOR DVR AND ZAPPING THROUGH COMMERICALS!

And I guess it was what I was expecting of the Disneyification of star wars. They spend all this time going to the hyper limit with four tie fighters chasing them, and no one bothers to man the guns, and the Ghost never appears to take any damage. It was only when they get near the limit that they decide to jump into the turrets and destroy a couple before leaving.

And how could Sabine destroy a whole transport with just some explosives she carried around? Where where the guards? and other crew who would have at least said "Stop that" when she started planeting explosives. I really have a hard time understanding how something smaller then a Thermal Detonator can cause explosions BIGGER then laser cannons could.

The fact that kessel was a planet and anyone can just wander over to the planet.. no system patrol, or blockade, or planetary defenses. Did not make Kessel seem so bad beyond any Coal mine.

yea.. just me being a bit ranty.

Liked the "Hairless Wookiee" bit. Besides the above, the rest was okay. Like to see the first season completely before I bother

and then you have 3 or 4 squads of stromtroopers blasting away, yet Kanan comes out from behind cover and has no trouble dodging the fire while he strikes his pose and brings out his lightsaber for everyone to see and be in awe.

and then you have 3 or 4 squads of stromtroopers blasting away, yet Kanan comes out from behind cover and has no trouble dodging the fire while he strikes his pose and brings out his lightsaber for everyone to see and be in awe.

To be fair, I read that as he could do that because he was a Jedi.

That said, it seems strange how some characters dive behind cover (which is great) while others wade through firefights like they weren't being shot at (which is not).

and then you have 3 or 4 squads of stromtroopers blasting away, yet Kanan comes out from behind cover and has no trouble dodging the fire while he strikes his pose and brings out his lightsaber for everyone to see and be in awe.

To be fair, I read that as he could do that because he was a Jedi.

That said, it seems strange how some characters dive behind cover (which is great) while others wade through firefights like they weren't being shot at (which is not).

TCW is full of that. The Clones almost never take proper cover. I think it's an in-joke.

Is it possible to think of Kessel as both a giant space potato as well as a planet with atmosphere and day-and-night cycle?

I think so.

Now, Gran, you say, the shot we see from space looks pretty spherical. That is true - but real-life irregular-shaped planet-sized objects in space more or less have to be nearly spherical. Kessel remains slightly potato-shaped, probably a lot more irregular than other planets, with some zones that have an atmosphere and wide swaths of surface that don't. Did the visuals change a bit? Yes. For the worse? Not really, if at all, that added some realism to the concept.

I kind of like to think of it as an update so the science is less iffy. Now, maybe Filoni can do something about that Maw Cluster...

and then you have 3 or 4 squads of stromtroopers blasting away, yet Kanan comes out from behind cover and has no trouble dodging the fire while he strikes his pose and brings out his lightsaber for everyone to see and be in awe.

To be fair, I read that as he could do that because he was a Jedi.

That said, it seems strange how some characters dive behind cover (which is great) while others wade through firefights like they weren't being shot at (which is not).

TCW is full of that. The Clones almost never take proper cover. I think it's an in-joke.

Or like in Edge of the empire taking cover and wearing good armor results in the same number of setback die. So the result is the same.

and then you have 3 or 4 squads of stromtroopers blasting away, yet Kanan comes out from behind cover and has no trouble dodging the fire while he strikes his pose and brings out his lightsaber for everyone to see and be in awe.

To be fair, I read that as he could do that because he was a Jedi.

That said, it seems strange how some characters dive behind cover (which is great) while others wade through firefights like they weren't being shot at (which is not).

TCW is full of that. The Clones almost never take proper cover. I think it's an in-joke.

Or like in Edge of the empire taking cover and wearing good armor results in the same number of setback die. So the result is the same.

Same amount of setback, but not necessarily the same amount of soak. That partial blast door may not provide more defense than your armor, but if it gets hit, then the shot has to get through its soak to get to you...