6 hours ago, Forresto said:

Well how much did you watch? Because the first two-three seasons are the nonsense ones. Even as a fan of the show I can't watch those.

My only honest answer to this question is, "more than I would have wanted to see." I couldn't tell you what seasons anything that I saw was from...it's what happened to be on if our son had it on. Everything I saw appeared to be nonsense. So, either by pure chance, all I ever saw was from those seasons, or we're dealing with varied mileage again.

6 hours ago, Forresto said:

No I see what they were doing.

There was an arc for Ezra, absolutely.

I just I never came to like the character of Ezra. Things came too easily for him besides the forced situations they put him into.

When you see a kid slice through legions of Stormtroopers and defeat some of those most elite agents in the Empire over and over again its hard to see him as nothing more then a precocious kid who doesn't actually struggle with any challenge. He overcomes everything.

To me he was always the guy in every FPS multiplayer game who gave himself the god cheat and mows everyone down.

Its why I dislike Superman as a character as opposed to Batman.

And to borrow from Tony Stark, I say...is it too much to ask for both?

The best Superman stories aren't about physical conflict. Meanwhile, a great many fans have hitched their wagons to the idea of "god mode" Batman. Me...I'm a Nightwing guy: all of Batman's skills while socially well-adjusted like Superman.

1 hour ago, LordBritish said:

Plus from a certain sense Yoda was right in a way he probably didn't/did intend; only Luke could defeat Vader because he cared for his father, after watching her planet go up I highly doubt Leia had any compassion in her heart for Vader

She didn't. The torture and subsequent destruction of her adoptive family and homeworld made her hate Vader with such passion. In the Bloodlines book it goes into her thinking on the matter of Vader returning to the Light. She thinks it's a nice thought and it's great that Luke feels so strongly about it but she couldn't feel happy for Anakin Skywalker after all he put her through.

39 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

The best Superman stories aren't about physical conflict. Meanwhile, a great many fans have hitched their wagons to the idea of "god mode" Batman. Me...I'm a Nightwing guy: all of Batman's skills while socially well-adjusted like Superman.

Some of the best Batman stories are the ones where he’s broken and has to rely on others, and the ones where he deals with Robin dying. Probably not going to see much of that in any non-animated movies any time soon.

3 hours ago, Archlyte said:

While I didn't dislike Ezra and was moved by his story, I also don't like the way they have this giant division between any Force Sensitive character and everybody else. Ezra was so powerful in the last few seasons that I was sure he was gonna be banished or dead by the times of the original movies. I guess nobody likes the idea of taking a while to get used to being able to even connect with the Force, so the lightsabers and Force Domination had to be in the mix pronto.

When it comes to main characters it's like the Force has two settings: it's either all the way on, or all the way off.

I really think Luke was a bit different, or at least I would hope he was. Having everyone's nascent force powers make you as successful as him suggests that he wasn't all that special.

Ezra did take a while to get used to the Force – in the first seasons, it's very obvious that his force abilities work so-so at best and Kanan is stronger by far. As for Luke, compare his first fight against Vader (after very little training by Yoda and Kenobi) with the utter disaster that was Vader's first appearance on Rebels. Of course, Vader didn't want to kill Luke at that point, but the difference is still very obvious, with Luke at least sometimes holding his own while Kanan and Ezra are getting curbstomped.

Finally caught up with the last two episode. Damnit, my house has been infiltrated by Ninja! They're cutting onions everywhere I turn!

6 hours ago, Desslok said:

Finally caught up with the last two episode. Damnit, my house has been infiltrated by Ninja! They're cutting onions everywhere I turn!

The humidity must've been really low when I saw it. In fact it was so dry, my eyes had to water a bit to compensate.

After watching the finale, one thing needs to be done. Someone needs to do character write-ups of Wolffe, Gregor and everyone's favorite Ugnaught Melch.

On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 5:07 PM, Cifer said:

Ezra did take a while to get used to the Force – in the first seasons, it's very obvious that his force abilities work so-so at best and Kanan is stronger by far. As for Luke, compare his first fight against Vader (after very little training by Yoda and Kenobi) with the utter disaster that was Vader's first appearance on Rebels. Of course, Vader didn't want to kill Luke at that point, but the difference is still very obvious, with Luke at least sometimes holding his own while Kanan and Ezra are getting curbstomped.

I think you are right that there were times when it was portrayed like that, but I guess since it's a kids show they had to make sure to get lightsabers on screen quick or risk losing the audience. I really did enjoy the show, but I just wish for all these shows and movies they would turn it down a bit with the usage of Force. I think my reaction is really a generalized reaction more than from Rebels. I was pretty stoked when Luke got his lightsaber out of the snow, but seems like nowadays nobody cares unless Star Destroyers are being Force choked.

3 hours ago, Archlyte said:

I think you are right that there were times when it was portrayed like that, but I guess since it's a kids show they had to make sure to get lightsabers on screen quick or risk losing the audience. I really did enjoy the show, but I just wish for all these shows and movies they would turn it down a bit with the usage of Force. I think my reaction is really a generalized reaction more than from Rebels. I was pretty stoked when Luke got his lightsaber out of the snow, but seems like nowadays nobody cares unless Star Destroyers are being Force choked.

And on Hoth, people walked to Echo Base uphill through the snow both ways.

I'd simply put it down to the fact that Ezra actually had a teacher who stuck around for more than a few days, while Luke didn't really learn to use the force so much as invent it.

3 hours ago, Cifer said:

I'd simply put it down to the fact that Ezra actually had a teacher who stuck around for more than a few days, while Luke didn't really learn to use the force so much as invent it.

Pretty much this.

Plus, Ezra had spent a period of time learning from a Sith holocron, which probably also played a role in expanding his skill in using the Force, even if they weren't the best lessons for an aspiring Jedi to learn.

I'm sure if Kenobi had survived the events of ANH, the Luke we saw in ESB would have been a highly proficient Jedi, both with the Force and with a lightsaber. But since Kenobi had the trope-naming Obi-Wan Moment, Luke was indeed left to stumble around on his own for a few years, followed by a crash-course of training that ran anywhere from a few days to a few weeks (depends on who you believe on how long it took the Falcon to reach Bespin) before jumping right into the fire and taking on a powerful Sith Lord.

3 hours ago, Cifer said:

I'd simply put it down to the fact that Ezra actually had a teacher who stuck around for more than a few days, while Luke didn't really learn to use the force so much as invent it.

Pretty much this.

Plus, Ezra had spent a period of time learning from a Sith holocron, which probably also played a role in expanding his skill in using the Force, even if they weren't the best lessons for an aspiring Jedi to learn.

I'm sure if Kenobi had survived the events of ANH, the Luke we saw in ESB would have been a highly proficient Jedi, both with the Force and with a lightsaber. But since Kenobi had the trope-naming Obi-Wan Moment, Luke was indeed left to stumble around on his own for a few years, followed by a crash-course of training that ran anywhere from a few days to a few weeks (depends on who you believe on how long it took the Falcon to reach Bespin) before jumping right into the fire and taking on a powerful Sith Lord.

I'm hoping that if this "Star Wars: Resistance" show comes about that it will pick up a few of the threads left hanging at the end of Rebels . Not necessarily be about the Ghost crew, but it would be nice to see Ahsoka and Sabine finally find Ezra (not to mention to find out what the **** Ahsoka was doing for five years between her "return" to the end of Season 2 and the post-RotJ epilogue.

On 3/7/2018 at 10:37 AM, Forresto said:

Ezra and Finn both started off as jerk kids with no parental supervision and grow to be likable teens/young adults, however Adventure Time did the work that got me to actually like Finn. When I see Ezra, I still see him as the same jerk he was in Season One.

To me, Ezra is the Wesley Crusher of this show. Made it pretty hard to enjoy it when they turned him into the main hero.

Also, I didn't enjoy the feeling of: OK Filoni, you set it up so another Jedi survived through the OT... and to top it off, it's this guy?

Getting tired of New Canon repeating the mistakes of the EU. Oh well, I'll always have my headcanon.

3 hours ago, Daronil said:

I'm hoping that if this "Star Wars: Resistance" show comes about that it will pick up a few of the threads left hanging at the end of Rebels . Not necessarily be about the Ghost crew, but it would be nice to see Ahsoka and Sabine finally find Ezra (not to mention to find out what the **** Ahsoka was doing for five years between her "return" to the end of Season 2 and the post-RotJ epilogue.

As Filioni will be involved, that is almost guaranteed

14 hours ago, Cifer said:

And on Hoth, people walked to Echo Base uphill through the snow both ways.

I'd simply put it down to the fact that Ezra actually had a teacher who stuck around for more than a few days, while Luke didn't really learn to use the force so much as invent it.

It's a pity the restraint we saw in those original movies died with them. I guess Inquisitors wouldn't have been scary without helicopter rotor blade lighstabers. Just using the Force in the manner of say ESB or ROTJ would have been something that writers couldn't have made interesting I guess.

9 minutes ago, Archlyte said:

It's a pity the restraint we saw in those original movies died with them. I guess Inquisitors wouldn't have been scary without helicopter rotor blade lighstabers. Just using the Force in the manner of say ESB or ROTJ would have been something that writers couldn't have made interesting I guess.

Something in the middle would have been nice. The Inquisitors were dumb, but Ezra I’m ok with. Luke not being properly trained was an important part of the plots of the original trilogy, and by RotJ he was knight-level despite that lack of training. A lot of the “restraint” was really just the limitations of live-action filming at the time as well.

1 hour ago, nameless ronin said:

A lot of the “restraint” was really just the limitations of live-action filming at the time as well.

That does only show, the important and positive influence, that limitations can have. Star Wars overcame a lot of the limitations of its time, while being kept in check by those it didn't. However I am pretty certain that the helicopterblades were at no point of Star Wars a thing that was too difficult to show.... For Rebels, I gather, it simply was a lazy and bad idea, that was too easy to do.

3 hours ago, Archlyte said:

It's a pity the restraint we saw in those original movies died with them. I guess Inquisitors wouldn't have been scary without helicopter rotor blade lighstabers. Just using the Force in the manner of say ESB or ROTJ would have been something that writers couldn't have made interesting I guess.

I dunno. I think the special editions prove that what you see as "restraint" was actually a lack of special effects technology, time and budget.

EDIT: Ninja'd. That's what I get for not reading to the end before answering.

51 minutes ago, [Arkas] said:

That does only show, the important and positive influence, that limitations can have. Star Wars overcame a lot of the limitations of its time, while being kept in check by those it didn't. However I am pretty certain that the helicopterblades were at no point of Star Wars a thing that was too difficult to show.... For Rebels, I gather, it simply was a lazy and bad idea, that was too easy to do.

Then again, the advantage of Lucas not letting himself be kept in check is what had him push to advance film technology to where he needed it to be. Sure, CGI and digital photo is quite often maligned for being overused, but the thing is, basically any movie with any special effects these days use it heavily. So, if Lucas had let himself be restrained and not push for the technology to be developed, a lot of acclaimed movies today wouldn't look nearly as good, or even be possible.

Not the superhero movies, not the new star wars movies, almost every sci-fi or monster movie with a budget to speak of. Even films that are acclaimed for their use of practical effects like Fury Road made pretty heavy use of CGI. ****, we have tv shows today with digital effects that blow cinema from 10-15 years ago out of the water, and while it probably would have happened anyway, Lucas was definitively a guy who made it happen sooner because he didn't want his vision to be limited by technical limitations. The flanneled one might have more than a few flaws as a filmmaker and director (I'm sure he'd agree with anyone who thinks so) but the man hasn't gotten nearly enough credit as a force for innovation.

1 hour ago, [Arkas] said:

That does only show, the important and positive influence, that limitations can have. Star Wars overcame a lot of the limitations of its time, while being kept in check by those it didn't. However I am pretty certain that the helicopterblades were at no point of Star Wars a thing that was too difficult to show.... For Rebels, I gather, it simply was a lazy and bad idea, that was too easy to do.

Alec Guinness was an excellent actor, but swordplay - staged or otherwise - was clearly not his forte. David Prowse was no action hero either. I wouldn’t say the original trilogy could really do lightsabers justice, both due to actor limitations and limited CGI options, and that was not a “positive influence”. The prequels and animated series did much better in that regard.

42 minutes ago, penpenpen said:

Not the superhero movies, not the new star wars movies, almost every sci-fi or monster movie with a budget to speak of. Even films that are acclaimed for their use of practical effects like Fury Road made pretty heavy use of CGI.

videogames use a lot of motion capture nowadays. So there's another form of storytelling media that uses technology that began with Jar Jar Binks. We owe that Gungan a lot...

Well, all the shows have stupid ideas and stupid scenes that we all wish would go away.

The OT had Ewoks. The PT had...well...almost everything, from Jar-Jar to sand to agonising "love scene" dialogue.

TCW had Jar-Jar from time to time.

Rebels had absurd helicopter lightsabres.

But I still liked Rebels. I just remove the helicopter lightsabres from my head-canon. Rebels, to me, was the epitome of an RPG campaign. It reminded me beautifully of our old WEG campaigns in the late 1980s / early 1990s.

I always looked at Rebels as an EotE game that slowly branched into AoR and F&D over time.

3 hours ago, nameless ronin said:

Alec Guinness was an excellent actor, but swordplay - staged or otherwise - was clearly not his forte. David Prowse was no action hero either. I wouldn’t say the original trilogy could really do lightsabers justice, both due to actor limitations and limited CGI options, and that was not a “positive influence”. The prequels and animated series did much better in that regard.

ANH's duel was pretty clunky in parts, especially Alec Guiness's little "spin". But I remember talking years ago to a kendo practitioner who had seen many duels between kendo masters, and he was saying that (a few clunky bits aside), the Obi-Wan / Vader duel was the most realistic of all of them. Two masters hardly move at all, apparently. There'll be a few tentative "testing" strikes that are easily parried as each gets the measure of the other, until finally one will hit home quickly in an unanticipated strike that finishes the fight.

On 3/6/2018 at 3:00 PM, Daronil said:

There was an episode of "The Clone Wars" that dealt with a clone that had gone off the reservation and settled down with a Twi'lek partner, and they had kids. I was a bit surprised by that, because up until then, with regard to interspecies relationships, Star Wars* was pretty much directly opposed to Star Trek, but that TCW episode canonised the idea that it was possible.

Personally, I've always found the whole interspecies thing a bit...off colour? I mean, I'm more closely related to a jellyfish than I am to a Betazoid...

* - with the exception of things like Jabba's thing for Twi'lek dancers, but that's shown as a weird fetish rather than normalised.

In the Star Trek universe humans and Betazoids are actually related to one another most likely, along with lots of other humanoid species for that matter.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)